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Are the profits from Relic and Data sites in WH's a lot better?

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Smelly Boyhehe
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2015-03-16 19:51:02 UTC
I've decided to take up exploration on my main as a pass time hobby, so far all the loot has not been worth the effort in low sec.

I'm currently in a cheetah. Is it worth hunting down wormholes and exploring in them? As I read the data sites are a lot more profitable in WH space.

or am I better going to null? (I can easily train into an Astero as I read there's NPC's in Null data sites)
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-03-16 19:54:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Tipa Riot
Smelly Boyhehe wrote:
I've decided to take up exploration on my main as a pass time hobby, so far all the loot has not been worth the effort in low sec.

I'm currently in a cheetah. Is it worth hunting down wormholes and exploring in them? As I read the data sites are a lot more profitable in WH space.

or am I better going to null? (I can easily train into an Astero as I read there's NPC's in Null data sites)

The best non-combat exploration sites are Sansha relics in nullsec. Luckily you can find those also in wormholes classes 3 and lower. The "native" exploration sites in wormholes are more profitable but you need a decent combat vessel for them as you have to fight sleeper rats.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2015-03-16 19:57:17 UTC
Yeah, stay away from the sleeper sites. Those are all combat sites where the money is in all the salvage. The cans in the sleeper sites are not worth hacking. If you're blitzing just for money, don't bother with the data sites in general. Target the pirate relic sites in nullsec and class 1,2, and 3 wormholes. Fit your ship accordingly.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-03-16 21:59:18 UTC
My heart always skips a beat when I see "S" pop up in scanner after I scan a relic














And then it's serpentis.
Riel Saigo
Facta.Non.Verba
#5 - 2015-03-17 00:45:58 UTC
The way I see it - you're going to be scanning down the wormholes anyway while you look for relic and data sites in null sec. And wormhole connections are the best and safest method for traveling to and from nullsec anyway. So you'll want to spend time in them anyway and scan down the signatures in them.

Like others said, the Sleeper relic and data sites have NPCs guarding the site. In a C1 or C2, you can usually clear them out with a battlecruiser (some specialized T1 cruisers can manage it if you're skilled at fitting and flying). In a C3 usually calls for small gangs of cruisers or battlecruisers to clear, and C4s usually need a fleet of battleships or T3 cruisers or other serious firepower. Forget about C5s and C6s - you won't clear those solo in much of anything short of a dreadnaught. So if you're just soloing in an Astero or T2 cov ops cloaky ship, you should avoid the sleeper sites.

But CCP made some changes to the game so that null sec relic and data sites now infrequently spawn in wormhole space. So if you don't see the word "sleeper" on the site and instead see "Sansha" or "Blood Raider" or "Gurista" etc, that means you have yourself a null security relic/data site, and there won't be any NPCs guarding it - just like null sec. You can run those for the same profit you would on your normal null sec sites.

So, I'd recommend doing this in null sec. That's were the profit is for a solo daytripper who doesn't want to scout in one ship and then hassle with going and fetching a combat ship to clear stuff too. You should use the wormhole connection chains to find your way in and out of nullsec (having a nearby wormhole is a great way to escape a bunch of hostiles in local as well - they usually won't know where you disappeared to). While you are doing this, keep your eye out in wormholes for null sec data/relic sites. If you find them, you might as well run those too.

I also recommend out of game tools like Staticmapper, Tripwire, and DOTLAN for helping you navigate around.
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#6 - 2015-03-17 19:19:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Baneken
Ned Thomas wrote:
Yeah, stay away from the sleeper sites. Those are all combat sites where the money is in all the salvage. The cans in the sleeper sites are not worth hacking. If you're blitzing just for money, don't bother with the data sites in general. Target the pirate relic sites in nullsec and class 1,2, and 3 wormholes. Fit your ship accordingly.


Unless it's a Talocan site in c5/c6 100mil per hull section, yo. Blink

You only need a fleet of 3-4 nestors to do it, you know those ships that you k-space scrubs like to bash on for not being a solo pwn mobile. P

edit:
forgot a one thing you also want a falcon to jam the trigger on the site unless you are clearing everything after the first wave but usually people just 'ninja' the Talocan wreck and leave the rest.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#7 - 2015-03-17 19:24:58 UTC
Smelly Boyhehe wrote:
I've decided to take up exploration on my main as a pass time hobby, so far all the loot has not been worth the effort in low sec.

I'm currently in a cheetah. Is it worth hunting down wormholes and exploring in them? As I read the data sites are a lot more profitable in WH space.

or am I better going to null? (I can easily train into an Astero as I read there's NPC's in Null data sites)

Stick to null IMHO, because you will inevitably get murdered in a WH when that cloaky ship you didn't see enter local chat pops up right beside you. At least in null if you watch local and only work a site when system is empty you can do it very safely.

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-03-17 19:33:45 UTC
doing it only in empty systems is a pain in the ass though, what if it's just another explorer?

WH space has the advantage of people NOT KNOWING that you're there until you're d-scannable, that gives you a huge edge in a cloaky frigate.

In null, someone instantly knows if you're there or not and can choose to hunt you relentlessly. Gates are marked as warpable objects in space that anyone can warp to and there's far more likely to be people hunting you down.

Wormholes obviously have their downsides as well but if you play correctly wormholes are FAR safer than null.
Phig Neutron
Rubicon Cubism
#9 - 2015-03-17 19:43:10 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Stick to null IMHO, because you will inevitably get murdered in a WH when that cloaky ship you didn't see enter local chat pops up right beside you.


This is EVE. You will inevitably get murdered anyway.
If the treasure is more valuable in WH space, the danger can be a fair trade. I haven't done the math.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#10 - 2015-03-17 19:53:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
You guys are going to get a lot of people murdered with this bad advice. There is simply no comparing the reduced risk of working sites in an empty null system, to that of a WH where you are oblivious to who is hunting you because of delayed local.

Surprise, but you also have to uncloak yourself to work a site, do this in wormholes and you WILL eventually get murdered. Not so working empty null system sites.

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Phig Neutron
Rubicon Cubism
#11 - 2015-03-17 19:59:17 UTC
Teaching people to play EVE based on an assumption that they will never lose their ship = much worse advice.
Alexa Miasmata
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-03-17 22:56:43 UTC
Im a bit new and did exploration for the last 3 or 4 weeks.
I find wormholes a lot safer than nullsec. To be fair, I am in total less in WH space than in nullsec, but I get murdered in nullsec quite often (which is ok, since it only happens like every 15 trips and my frigate is cheap anyway).
Don't know, but in nullsec there are a lot of gatecamps and people chasing you. In WH space the worst thing you can get into is some WH corp who doesnt wants to be disturbed.
Roel Yento
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2015-03-17 23:26:53 UTC
I do data and relic sites in c1, c2, and c3's all the time. Haven't died yet... i will at some point but i have made a ton off the sites. That being said, i also gank explores by warping in at zero on them or with a stealth bomber. Also there are tons of wormholes that have no one online in them through the day.
Kenneth Endashi
Kor-Azor Slave Holdings
#14 - 2015-03-18 20:03:42 UTC
Riel Saigo wrote:
I also recommend out of game tools like Staticmapper, Tripwire, and DOTLAN for helping you navigate around.


Are these sites worth the time it takes to use them? In my experience, seconds count, so I don't like to waste time planning a route so much as I spend what I feel is the appropriate amount of time cataloging my own route, and potential offshoots of it.

Do any of those sites have a feature that allows me to enter an origin-to-destination region and map it via known wormhole routes?

(To attempt to answer my own question, I would imagine the ability to access realtime wormhole maps would be impossible without constant community updates)
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-03-18 20:10:53 UTC
Planning a route can save much more time than you not looking at it and then going blindly in. Dotlan has great stats which let you avoid heavily populated and dangerous areas.

tripwire is much more for people who spend a lot of their time in wormholes, if you're just passing through and grabbing a few sites here and there, it's not needed.

And to your question: nobody would ever do that and reveal their own chain to the public. The only known thing even close to that is the thera mapper.
Phig Neutron
Rubicon Cubism
#16 - 2015-03-18 20:39:31 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
And to your question: nobody would ever do that and reveal their own chain to the public. The only known thing even close to that is the thera mapper.


Maybe enough day-trippers or PVPers would be willing to do it to make it possible. Perhaps with a time delay... the map would only show connections say 2 hours after they were uploaded. I guess the question is whether the game client allows you to copy-paste signatures and how easy a good programmer could make the data entry.
Leiliana Atruin
SPATULA-CITY
#17 - 2015-03-18 21:06:22 UTC
As someone who extensively runs relic/data sites in both null sec and wormholes I can tell you:

Wormholes:
1. Doing signatures in Wormhole is generally safer.
2. You will do on average 5-6 Wormholes before you a hole with sites
3. You will spend alot of time scanning down all signatures in a Wormhole
4. Generally unpopulated if you stick to C1-C3 class Wormholes
5.

Nullsec:
1. You will make more money in Null
2. Null is way more populated
3. Null has gatecamps
4. Most alliances in Null has intel channels, so if you get spotted they MIGHT decide to hunt you down.

If you are in it for the ISK, then go do Nullsec sites
If you rather want something safer, go Wormholes, but stay away from C4+ sites
Davith en Divalone
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2015-03-18 21:24:18 UTC
Getting murdered is half the fun of this game. But in terms of risk/reward, a good WH/null relic site will pay for a covops + fit. A great one will get you an astero + fit. Bob might demand a sacrifice in your first system, or you can squeak through a hundred without anyone catching sight of your taillights. Bob might reward you with a virgin system, or a barren bus station filled with a half-dozen K162s. It's worth trying both just to see which one you get the itch for.
Phig Neutron
Rubicon Cubism
#19 - 2015-03-18 21:55:50 UTC
In which domain are the sites more profitable for pirates who stalk exploration ships?
Leiliana Atruin
SPATULA-CITY
#20 - 2015-03-19 06:06:38 UTC
Phig Neutron wrote:
In which domain are the sites more profitable for pirates who stalk exploration ships?


Thera ;)
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