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Are the profits from Relic and Data sites in WH's a lot better?

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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#21 - 2015-03-19 19:48:01 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
You guys are going to get a lot of people murdered with this bad advice. There is simply no comparing the reduced risk of working sites in an empty null system, to that of a WH where you are oblivious to who is hunting you because of delayed local.

Surprise, but you also have to uncloak yourself to work a site, do this in wormholes and you WILL eventually get murdered. Not so working empty null system sites.

F

Oh come on. Wormholes aren't that bad. Honestly local chat makes me feel unsafe.

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Darian Frost
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2015-03-20 06:46:58 UTC
I've had some of my best eve moments hacking in null. Playing head games with the locals, hacking a site with 20+ in local all from the same corp and seeing how many cans I have the testicular fortitude to hack before bailing, slipping through gatecamps and enraging people and subsequently getting hunted down only to make it back to my home station with half a billion in profits. A bit of adrenaline pumping, "Will I make it?" does the heart good.

If you really want to make a lot, set a route with ~100 jumps from your home, deep into null and then back through null a different way back to your home. It tends to be an all day adventure and can leave you pretty drained but you'll make a ton of money and I can almost guarantee you'll have a couple stories at the end of it.

I've done a lot of WH space too. They're pretty hit or miss, the paranoia factor is a little higher but I don't play during peak hours so most the time the wormholes I go in are empty, then there's the WHs with TONS of signatures, most of them gasclouds and other WHs and sleeper sites. There's a lot more scanning involved and from my own personal experience, a lot less isk per hour. I'm not saying WHs are bad, I love WH space, but for pirate faction sites it's not the best when it comes to isk making.
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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2015-04-03 21:28:58 UTC
Do you guys suggest a good website for identifying what type of wormhole I've scanned down and what class it is etc?
Swann Zeigenfuse
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2015-04-03 23:05:27 UTC
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2015-04-04 00:40:29 UTC
tripwire is also great for mapping your routes as well as providing you with live information of what hole you've jumped into.
Niobe Song
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2015-04-05 09:23:00 UTC
Empty null sec systems are nice but there is nothing wrong with scanning in WH's too. Unless you are a coward.

Just keep an eye on Dscan and be ready to run or fight. And expect to eventually die at some point.
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#27 - 2015-04-06 08:16:11 UTC
Phig Neutron wrote:
In which domain are the sites more profitable for pirates who stalk exploration ships?


W-space, because netting a kill and stealing the loot in w-space doesn't require that your target be literally asleep at the keyboard to catch them.

I mean, it helps, but generally once you have things mapped and d-scan a guy in W, you can get to him and at least take your shot even if he's reasonably competent. In null they docked up and went out for coffee 35 minutes ago because null is basically Care-a-Lot and the site runners and miners aren't even on the hardcore end of the Care spectrum with Grumpy. They're more... Cheer Bear.
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#28 - 2015-04-06 20:00:03 UTC
As far as mapping goes most if not all wh corps use a mapping software where your scouts report signatures, POS and all sorts of other things though a main function is to record the map of your wh chain as you explore it.

Thing with null is that as soon as you enter local everyone warps either at POS or station and/or logs off, usually before you even manage to hit a d-scan, so yeah not many will actually bother you in null sec no matter what ship you fly with.

Data and relic sites can be done up to C5 alone in a gila assuming you have a good fit, know your triggers and have a general sense of what you're actually doing, also many prefer to have a falcon alt so they don't have to bother with shooting the whole site.
Biggest risk in WH sites are sleepers that neut (and web and scram) you which obviously doesn't bother a passively fit gila or tengu all that much.

Thing with talocans are however that they don't appear on a site if you warp to it cloaked, so warp visible and immediately cloak (or die) to see if there is a talocan wreck and never ever warp to 0 on a site.

Other lucrative venture (pun intended) is to grab a mining frigate and suck WH gas, just be aware that sleepers appear in 15min approx and if they don't appear it usually means that the site has been 'opened' meaning someone else has bm'd the site, has shot all the rats and doesn't like seeing you there sucking his gas on a site that he has cleared.
pushdogg
relocation LLC.
#29 - 2015-04-07 08:42:15 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
You guys are going to get a lot of people murdered with this bad advice. There is simply no comparing the reduced risk of working sites in an empty null system, to that of a WH where you are oblivious to who is hunting you because of delayed local.

Surprise, but you also have to uncloak yourself to work a site, do this in wormholes and you WILL eventually get murdered. Not so working empty null system sites.

F


qft

the only wormhole system i feel even close to safe in is my own, and even then if i hear a creek in the floor i jump out of my skin.

i will jump through wormholes into null and work sites all day, even with someone in local(see afk cloakers), because even if its one or two players they dock up and wait for help, which i can usually finish a couple sites before they come looking. most of the time they are empty.

and in all honesty the isk from regular data and relic sites are meh compared to sleeper caches and ghost sites, which is what im looking for anyway.(pro-tip: FW space has gobs of overlooked sleeper caches and ghost sites, and are hard enough to scan that most FW pilots cant scan them down, i run uncloaked and thumb my nose in local most of the time.)

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