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Aynen
Federal Guard and Recon Corporation
#1 - 2013-11-08 22:07:57 UTC
Will there, in time, be a dev-blog about the event and the conclusions drawn from it? And a news article telling us what happened at the actual event? (since a lot of people couldn't reach it)
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#2 - 2013-11-09 08:47:22 UTC
Hysterical laughter..

Probably something like.

Great event, had a fantastic time..
Shame about the hangover.


Quafe Strippers and Human Sacrifice make for A GREAT PARTY. !!!

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Edam Neadenil
Bax Corporation
#3 - 2013-11-11 06:48:05 UTC
Aynen wrote:
Will there, in time, be a dev-blog about the event and the conclusions drawn from it? And a news article telling us what happened at the actual event? (since a lot of people couldn't reach it)


For how this will actually go ... have a look at Wizards of the Coast with 4th Edition D&D. They also had a bunch of Dev's that thought they knew better than the player base and treated any criticism with disdain. They also had a bunch of fanbois that jumped up and supported anything they did and belittled any attempt at constructive criticism telling people who matter of factly said they would not play anymore to stop threatening to rage quit and they will back. Most did quit, most were not back and teh few fanbois were not enough to sustain the game which failed miserably.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#4 - 2013-11-11 09:11:48 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Shame for the company,there must have been some good people there who were victims of e rogue devs too. Or was it the managements fault for being so disconnected.

One for the history books i guess.

However to quote, those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Now might be a good time to respond CCP before there is no one left to hear it?.

When people quit it will not be rage .........just either exhausted patience or deciding that they can no longer support them with their money.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#5 - 2013-11-11 10:32:24 UTC
Aynen wrote:
Will there, in time, be a dev-blog about the event and the conclusions drawn from it? And a news article telling us what happened at the actual event? (since a lot of people couldn't reach it)


For an article about what happened at the actual event (IC viewpoint) I can direct you to my signature. Made a report on how it looked like from an ingame point of view. Spoiler: it doesn't look bright either.

Till CCP posts their ingame report, mine should do, created it with the help of dozens of folks who provided information. There was alot of conflicting info as well, so had to filter it out, but if there's still errors in it, they should be small.

Providing a new home for refugees in the Aurora Arcology
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#6 - 2013-11-11 11:10:43 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
Aynen wrote:
Will there, in time, be a dev-blog about the event and the conclusions drawn from it? And a news article telling us what happened at the actual event? (since a lot of people couldn't reach it)


For an article about what happened at the actual event (IC viewpoint) I can direct you to my signature. Made a report on how it looked like from an ingame point of view. Spoiler: it doesn't look bright either.

Till CCP posts their ingame report, mine should do, created it with the help of dozens of folks who provided information. There was alot of conflicting info as well, so had to filter it out, but if there's still errors in it, they should be small.


Thank you for that, IC storytelling adds to the game nicely.

I hope that CCP are not so detached from reality though, that they try to spin this as a deliberate attempt to tell the lore of the Capsuleers being betrayed by the Navys. Most of the playerbase are not naive or stupid.

There were far better and far more effective ways of doing that than the one they subjected us to.

It was either a sick joke gone very wrong,
A deliberate message to people who are not in a nullsec block that they hold them in contempt.
No thought or effort were expended.
Or gross incompetence.

I can forgive incompetence If efforts are made to learn from it and efforts made to rectify it.
Patience is running out though.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Aynen
Federal Guard and Recon Corporation
#7 - 2013-11-11 11:22:18 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
Aynen wrote:
Will there, in time, be a dev-blog about the event and the conclusions drawn from it? And a news article telling us what happened at the actual event? (since a lot of people couldn't reach it)


For an article about what happened at the actual event (IC viewpoint) I can direct you to my signature. Made a report on how it looked like from an ingame point of view. Spoiler: it doesn't look bright either.

Till CCP posts their ingame report, mine should do, created it with the help of dozens of folks who provided information. There was alot of conflicting info as well, so had to filter it out, but if there's still errors in it, they should be small.


Thanks for the report, Jandice!
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#8 - 2013-11-11 11:36:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jandice Ymladris
epicurus ataraxia wrote:

Thank you for that, IC storytelling adds to the game nicely.

I hope that CCP are not so detached from reality though, that they try to spin this as a deliberate attempt to tell the lore of the Capsuleers being betrayed by the Navys. Most of the playerbase are not naive or stupid.

There were far better and far more effective ways of doing that than the one they subjected us to.

It was either a sick joke gone very wrong,
A deliberate message to people who are not in a nullsec block that they hold them in contempt.
No thought or effort were expended.
Or gross incompetence.

I can forgive incompetence If efforts are made to learn from it and efforts made to rectify it.
Patience is running out though.


If they go for the angle of navies betrayed the capsuleers, they got one additional shitstorm coming imo. This is because the event didn't portray that at all. What it did portray was gross incompetence of the 4 navy Commanders, not the navies themselves (who weren't present tho), as they have to follow (non-existent?) orders from the commanders.

As you said, there's much better ways to show treachery or general abandonement of capsuleers.

Imo, what went wrong was poor planning on CCP part for the event, combined with poor communication trough the event. Like you I hope they'll learn from it.

For people reading, most highsec folk don't mind the dying, most however are upset about the fact an event was promised, but hardly delivered on.

Providing a new home for refugees in the Aurora Arcology
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#9 - 2013-11-11 11:41:38 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:

Thank you for that, IC storytelling adds to the game nicely.

I hope that CCP are not so detached from reality though, that they try to spin this as a deliberate attempt to tell the lore of the Capsuleers being betrayed by the Navys. Most of the playerbase are not naive or stupid.

There were far better and far more effective ways of doing that than the one they subjected us to.

It was either a sick joke gone very wrong,
A deliberate message to people who are not in a nullsec block that they hold them in contempt.
No thought or effort were expended.
Or gross incompetence.

I can forgive incompetence If efforts are made to learn from it and efforts made to rectify it.
Patience is running out though.


If they go for the angle of navies betrayed the capsuleers, they got one additional shitstorm coming imo. This is because the event didn't portray that at all. What it did portray was gross incompetence of the 4 navy Commanders, not the naveis themselves, as they have to follow (non-existent?) orders from the commanders.

As you said, there's much better ways to show treachery or general abandonement of capsuleers.

Imo, what went wrong was poor planning on CCP part for the event, combined with poor communication trough the event. Like you I hope they'll learn from it.

For people reading, most highsec folk don't mind the dying, most however are upset about the fact an event was promised, but hardly delivered on.


That sums it up very very well,good question? where were the navies we were meant to be supporting?
The dying was almost irrelevant, the non event was the issue coupled with It being hard to credit that a game company has so little knowledge of its own infrastructure and geography as to lead to this debacle.It is hardly suprising some think they are being given the message that they are not wanted on voyage.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#10 - 2013-11-11 11:53:49 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
That sums it up very very well,good question? where were the navies we were meant to be supporting?
The dying was almost irrelevant, the non event was the issue coupled with It being hard to credit that a game company has so little knowledge of its own infrastructure and geography as to lead to this debacle.It is hardly suprising some think they are being given the message that they are not wanted on voyage.


Boldened the important part.This is one of the issues indeed, as the call for arms message did say we were ment to support the navies. Even if it were just 10 NPC ships for each faction who died fast to gunfire, it would have enhanced the event alot.

Core issue of it all is really: event was promised, turned out to be badly planned and non-existent (exception note, pirates did had support), but tbh the lack of lorechatter from the event actors just made this event not really worth it for lorebuilding.

Capsuleers blow up researchposts from pirates daily trough missions & explorationsites (combatsites and such) This event didn't do anything to make it look more then *Navies try to blow up 2 researchstations from pirates*)
At no point it got mentioned what the pirates were doing or reseraching that it warranted special investigation from the Navies. This imo is part of what gripes people.

Providing a new home for refugees in the Aurora Arcology
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#11 - 2013-11-11 11:57:39 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
That sums it up very very well,good question? where were the navies we were meant to be supporting?
The dying was almost irrelevant, the non event was the issue coupled with It being hard to credit that a game company has so little knowledge of its own infrastructure and geography as to lead to this debacle.It is hardly suprising some think they are being given the message that they are not wanted on voyage.


Boldened the important part.This is one of the issues indeed, as the call for arms message did say we were meant to support the navies. Even if it were just 10 NPC ships for each faction who died fast to gunfire, it would have enhanced the event a lot.

Core issue of it all is really: event was promised, turned out to be badly planned and non-existent (exception note, pirates did had support), but tbh the lack of lorechatter from the event actors just made this event not really worth it for lorebuilding.

Capsuleers blow up research posts from pirates daily trough missions & explorationsites (combatsites and such) This event didn't do anything to make it look more then *Navies try to blow up 2 research stations from pirates*)
At no point it got mentioned what the pirates were doing or researching that it warranted special investigation from the Navies. This imo is part of what gripes people.



Agreed focusing on the lore side, a few scope announcements, would have done for more than this event ever did,
A chronicle, an announcement on the gate screens,See damaged ships returning from the conflict, Well basically anything but what occurred.

Anyway, lets move on, Ccp have promised a response and we can make it better between all of us next time.

The eve universe is greater than any other game, it has a depth and flexibility unknown elsewhere, but we have to learn to play well together,we will fight but we can build EvE together too.
We can help CCP and CCP Can help us.

I suggest that CCP get some lore players RP too and put a few scenarios to them so that leaks do not matter.They can then script the events And characters, And CCP has a wider pool of talent to call on.

CCP can then pick one and run it, having a considerable part of the work done, making the experience richer.
This will also allow more smaller events. Which are technically easier to run.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE