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Anaconda and Python mine BPO's missing

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Gogela
The Conference Elite
CODE.
#61 - 2012-03-15 18:38:50 UTC
Entity wrote:
I'll just say it again here:

The "Mining Drone - Improved UNUSED" was never unused. These drones dropped consistently from convoys in 2003 (typically 4-8 at a time) and were erroneously renamed at some point before Revelations expansion. They are absolutely meant to exist and should never have gotten the "UNUSED" tag.

Here I was getting all pi55ed about my unique ship collection and mine BPOs... how are you doing Entity? I bet you are livid!

I am not pleased atm...

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#62 - 2012-03-15 18:52:45 UTC
Chribba wrote:
CCP Greyscale wrote:
The good news is that when we do this sort of delete, the server keeps track of the deleted items for a while, and we made a copy of those data last night, so we know who owned what quantity of every deleted type. We don't have any of the information on blueprint research, so any returned blueprints will have "default" values (which I don't see as a huge problem for something that's primarily a collectors' item).
Does this mean, that any restored Mimir Blueprint will suddenly have 40 new runs on them - thus introducing more ships... being the number of Mimir's in-game is limited to a set amount.

/c


IMHO this is a FASCINATING mistake. Should be interesting to watch the results (how many Mimir's are made, etc) after the restoration.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Entity
X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
#63 - 2012-03-15 19:00:04 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Entity wrote:
I'll just say it again here:

The "Mining Drone - Improved UNUSED" was never unused. These drones dropped consistently from convoys in 2003 (typically 4-8 at a time) and were erroneously renamed at some point before Revelations expansion. They are absolutely meant to exist and should never have gotten the "UNUSED" tag.

Here I was getting all pi55ed about my unique ship collection and mine BPOs... how are you doing Entity? I bet you are livid!

I am not pleased atm...


Okay, If you want to know.

This deletion fiasco is genuinely upsetting to me as it undoes the 9 years of work I put into gathering the very rarest of rare items. Upsetting to the point of wondering whether I should continue investing my time in EVE. (cue "can I have your stuff" responses).

I'm firmly believe items should be left alone unless they break the balance of the game. A bunch of drones, implants and other crap that has no measurable effect on the game? Why delete it if they give people joy?

Perhaps it is not the "intended" way of playing the game, but for a game that is supposed to be a sandbox, being a collector is as valid a career as any other player's, and in the end we're all playing the game for fun.

I have items that are literally several orders of magnitude more rare and obscure than any of the stuff that was wiped, and even some (harmless!) stuff that is not meant to be in the game, and I fear for those treasures now.
Regardless of how they entered the game (accidental or intentional), they are a part of the game's rich history for better and for worse. They do not harm the game in any way, and are great conversation starters.

Deleting player owned items = Deleting the game's legacy. Don't do it, CCP.

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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#64 - 2012-03-15 19:00:38 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:
Hi,

Yes, this happened because of a thing that I did. We're looking at our options right now, but there are some other things I have to sort out first today. We'll get back to you!

-Greyscale

PS My player account owned both blueprints, I understand your pain.



This is beyond lame. Looks like some other old stuff like rare mining drones have gone poof too!

My corp has a museum hangar in which we are trying to collect one of everything in Eve. Stuff like the mines and the BPOs for the miners were always enjoyed by the members, especially those new to Eve.

PLEASE PLEASE put these things back for us!!!

In the future is you think you need to remove something from Eve, make it known well in advance to the community and NEVER NEVER NEVER take something away without compensating us for the loss!

(now I need to check on my melted snowballs and other weird odd stuff collected over 8 years in Eve!)

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#65 - 2012-03-15 19:04:41 UTC
How about automatically evemailing everyone who had items confiscated and inform them of what they lost? I've had a container full of random misc 'collectors items' and i have no idea whats been deleted from it.... if anything...

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP

Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#66 - 2012-03-15 19:07:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Terminal Insanity
Entity wrote:
Regardless of how they entered the game (accidental or intentional), they are a part of the game's rich history for better and for worse. They do not harm the game in any way, and are great conversation starters.

Deleting player owned items = Deleting the game's legacy. Don't do it, CCP.

Exactly this. I can understand deleting an item called "GM TEST TOOL DOOMSDAY" or something, but if its not game-breaking, remove the ability for more to be added but do NOT delete the ones that are already in existence.

People pay billions for these items, and then you just deleted them for no real cause.

It also hurts the player's trust in their assets. It makes us feel like any of our stuff can just be disappeared at any time. I feel for people like Entity who've spent years collecting this stuff, and now his goal in the game is directly threatened by this

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP

Gogela
The Conference Elite
CODE.
#67 - 2012-03-15 19:07:57 UTC
Entity wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Entity wrote:
I'll just say it again here:

The "Mining Drone - Improved UNUSED" was never unused. These drones dropped consistently from convoys in 2003 (typically 4-8 at a time) and were erroneously renamed at some point before Revelations expansion. They are absolutely meant to exist and should never have gotten the "UNUSED" tag.

Here I was getting all pi55ed about my unique ship collection and mine BPOs... how are you doing Entity? I bet you are livid!

I am not pleased atm...


Okay, If you want to know.

This deletion fiasco is genuinely upsetting to me as it undoes the 9 years of work I put into gathering the very rarest of rare items. Upsetting to the point of wondering whether I should continue investing my time in EVE. (cue "can I have your stuff" responses).

I'm firmly believe items should be left alone unless they break the balance of the game. A bunch of drones, implants and other crap that has no measurable effect on the game? Why delete it if they give people joy?

Perhaps it is not the "intended" way of playing the game, but for a game that is supposed to be a sandbox, being a collector is as valid a career as any other player's, and in the end we're all playing the game for fun.

I have items that are literally several orders of magnitude more rare and obscure than any of the stuff that was wiped, and even some (harmless!) stuff that is not meant to be in the game, and I fear for those treasures now.
Regardless of how they entered the game (accidental or intentional), they are a part of the game's rich history for better and for worse. They do not harm the game in any way, and are great conversation starters.

Deleting player owned items = Deleting the game's legacy. Don't do it, CCP.

No... I totally get that. While a nub in relative terms... I've been trying to collect every ship and drone myself. It is NOT easy. These items are very expensive and I couldn't even afford the "cash value" of my ships in RL if I wanted to. What really burns me up is that we make this huge effort to aquire these items and than CCP just jacks them. Excellence my ass. I've been hoping for them to get better and I thought they had turned a corner at crucible but it looks like Grayscale is back to being awesome. If CCP screwed up they could take responsibility for it and just let you keep the items or give you something of equal value in game... but like with that Enigma those pirates captured the other week (and I'm not saying a mining drone is anything like that), CCP just tosses them a PLEX and says go F*** yourself. It really does make you wonder if it's worth the effort if you are never allowed to achieve anything... or if the policy at CCP is to turn a blind eye willfully ignorant incompetence... well then that might be as bad or worse.

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Taedrin
Virtues Corporation
#68 - 2012-03-15 19:10:03 UTC
Dear CCP - I know that you want to erase past mistakes, but please realize that many people have become attached to these past mistakes. If the items are harmless, then leave them in the game. Learn from your mistakes and don't let it happen in the future - but don't penalize collectors for your own mistakes!
Velicitia
XS Tech
#69 - 2012-03-15 19:14:04 UTC
Entity wrote:


Deleting player owned items = Deleting the game's legacy. Don't do it, CCP.


^^ this x 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999

seriously, CCP ... you've got to stop with all the recent "trust us guys, you're gonna love us ******* up the history"


One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Bobbechk
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#70 - 2012-03-15 21:03:20 UTC
Here's some more unused blueprints that you missed CCP Greyscale:

Avatar blueprint
Erebus blueprint
Leviathan blueprint
Ragnarok blueprint
bassie12bf1
Militaris Industries
Northern Coalition.
#71 - 2012-03-15 21:12:57 UTC
While you're at it, fix the fact you can't autolink noobships?
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
#72 - 2012-03-15 21:18:13 UTC
Just jumping on the bandwagon here and saying that deleting deprecated items is a really bad idea, especially because many people use rare items to hedge against inflation.

I personally had a stack of mine BPOs, although I forgot how many I had. I hope they get returned :\

(also, messing with Entity's collection is very bad karma!)
howling wind
I Swear She Was 18
Triumvirate.
#73 - 2012-03-15 21:57:54 UTC
Give the guy a break people! It was a mistake.
Im especially confused about the whiney responses from some very famous EVE players.
CCP Greyscale already said that it was going to be fixed, read the thread before moaning. It's another mistake and suddenly everyone breaks down and starts the standard "I hate CCP" bandwagon again.

Why not work with CCP and let them know exactly what you lost and try to assist them in their quest to clear out the database, that way you might get your stuff back faster and you'll be helping rather than just posting rubbish on the forums.
Skye Aurorae
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#74 - 2012-03-15 22:00:34 UTC
Once all the items are returned CCP should add a new 'signed letter of apology from CCP' to the game and hand them out every time this stuff happens - you know, the kind of thing that rare item collectors would like to have.

Skye Aurora is a 7 year old Girl Who Wants to be on the CSM! Unfortunately, the Lawyers say you have to be 21 - oh well.

Entity
X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
#75 - 2012-03-15 22:11:18 UTC
howling wind wrote:
Give the guy a break people! It was a mistake.
Im especially confused about the whiney responses from some very famous EVE players.
CCP Greyscale already said that it was going to be fixed, read the thread before moaning. It's another mistake and suddenly everyone breaks down and starts the standard "I hate CCP" bandwagon again.

Why not work with CCP and let them know exactly what you lost and try to assist them in their quest to clear out the database, that way you might get your stuff back faster and you'll be helping rather than just posting rubbish on the forums.


You clearly missed the point. Restoring the items is good, but doesn't help much restoring trust in that CCP isn't going to silently baleet player assets in the future. And last I checked the whole point of forums is to voice ones opinion and concerns.
Of course I fully acknowledge it's CCP's game to do with as they pl..... oh wait :lolincarna:

But fair enough, one guy's legitimate grievance is another guy's whining I guess. yay, forums.

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The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#76 - 2012-03-15 22:13:56 UTC  |  Edited by: The Antiquarian
howling wind wrote:
Give the guy a break people! It was a mistake.
Im especially confused about the whiney responses from some very famous EVE players.
CCP Greyscale already said that it was going to be fixed, read the thread before moaning. It's another mistake and suddenly everyone breaks down and starts the standard "I hate CCP" bandwagon again.

Why not work with CCP and let them know exactly what you lost and try to assist them in their quest to clear out the database, that way you might get your stuff back faster and you'll be helping rather than just posting rubbish on the forums.


Did you not read Greyscale's post? He said much of the deletion stems from actual cleaning up of the database. Only when several of the collectors pointed out the legitimacy of having those items kept, that he relented and decided to "re-release" those items back to the players.

Also he pointed out that some of the items will still be unavailable including the UNUSED, which still DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE considering the fact that there is a unique history attached to it and they dropped through legitimate means.

Please read Greyscale's posting before calling us "whiners." We have reasons for our dissatisfaction. I am also furious that I've spent more than 3 Billions on those missing drones and CCP decided to remove those just for the sake of "cleaning up" the database. Imagine others who have invested more time and effort than me. At least I only purchased PLEXs to finance those items (yes! what a fool I was!)

This kind of random deletion completely discourages people like me from ever purchasing PLEXs.
Gogela
The Conference Elite
CODE.
#77 - 2012-03-15 22:16:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Gogela
howling wind wrote:
Give the guy a break people! It was a mistake.
Im especially confused about the whiney responses from some very famous EVE players.
CCP Greyscale already said that it was going to be fixed, read the thread before moaning. It's another mistake and suddenly everyone breaks down and starts the standard "I hate CCP" bandwagon again.

Why not work with CCP and let them know exactly what you lost and try to assist them in their quest to clear out the database, that way you might get your stuff back faster and you'll be helping rather than just posting rubbish on the forums.

If it was a mistake I don't think anyone would eve comment beyond bringing it to CCPs attention. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm p***** off because Greyscale intentionally deleted these items because players "weren't supposed to" have them because they weren't "supposed to" be in the game... yet these items were obtained through normal game mechanics that were in game for years! Entity has been playing since 2003! If he has some weird ass drones no one else has I would say f*** yah that's cool and I'd pay a premium for them. They have value, and represent eve history. It's not about making a mistake. It's about being incompetent and not thinking about what you are doing before you do it. Some of us spend a lot of time and brain cells trying to accrue this stuff... this isn't a nerf. Essentially it's like CCP coming out and saying "oh, we changed our mind... caps were a bad idea. We're removing them from the game" and than compensating you nothing. Think some people would rage? The question then becomes... why buy anything? Why try to amass any kind of wealth or collect stuff if CCP Greyscale is just going to take it away when he gets bored from having nothing to fix in this otherwise flawless game?

Edit:
You know what is NOT going to happen? Entity is NOT going to take over f****** Delve and Fountain with a full flight of mining drones. It just isn't going down like that. If CCP wanted to "fix" a potential imbalance or or something, it would take virtually nothing to just nerf the specs of whatever they wanted to remove instead. Again, I can't speak for Entity, but I would bet you he wouldn't even care if they did. The thing that makes those items cool is just their history within the context of eve and their rarity, which gives them value. Anyone with their head in the game would know that.

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Flinx Evenstar
Wickey
#78 - 2012-03-15 22:17:33 UTC
howling wind wrote:


Why not work with CCP


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Master Zeuth
Fweddit
Free Range Chikuns
#79 - 2012-03-15 22:30:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Master Zeuth
I think I'm starting to fall in love with Greyscale. He really is working his hardest to represent CCP's desire to disconnect from their community as much as possible and destroy their existing playerbase.
Toramii
Le Moulin Rouge
#80 - 2012-03-15 22:36:07 UTC
Dang, harvester drones have attained enlightenment and moved to a higher plain outside of this PERSISTANT universe.