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The solution to out of control plex prices

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Ded Akara
Doomheim
#21 - 2017-07-25 17:59:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Ded Akara
hmskrecik wrote:
Excuse me but what is the actual problem you are trying to solve?

No, really. Ability to Plex an account was a privilege right from the start. Or put another way, a bonus for being good at the game. If you find it increasingly harder and harder to achieve it, it simply means that many other folks got as good at you, or better.

And from economic perspective, soaring prices mean people are buying. So maybe instead of whining start selling?


Players hoarding plex like gold bullion because they believe it will only ever go up is the problem. People see plex as a way to protect and increase their wealth because plex prices only ever go up.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#22 - 2017-07-25 18:11:38 UTC
hmskrecik wrote:
Excuse me but what is the actual problem you are trying to solve?

No, really. Ability to Plex an account was a privilege right from the start. Or put another way, a bonus for being good at the game. If you find it increasingly harder and harder to achieve it, it simply means that many other folks got as good at you, or better.

And from economic perspective, soaring prices mean people are buying. So maybe instead of whining start selling?
None of that is true. Not a word.

PLEX isn't an never was a privilege. It's an option to subbing. Nothing more and nothing less.

Also, soaring prices does not even remotely mean people are buying. Like with character traders buying and selling among themselves, or skills farmers buying and selling injectors among themselves, PLEX traders are pushing up the price by buying and selling among themselves.

Regular players are caught in the middle. They either pay the insane price or they leave the game.

Mr Epeen Cool
Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2017-07-25 18:29:32 UTC
3.5m and no end in site. i said it would skyrocket past 4m months ago when i spoke out against the 500plex broken patch and people told me i didnt have any market experience to know what i was talking about and no figures to back me up.

yeah **** you. my predictions are always correct.

where the **** is ccp
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#24 - 2017-07-25 20:05:25 UTC
It might be interesting to know, how many people exchange isk with plex when they decide to leave the game for some time. I'm not playing currently, though I'm still subscribed, but whatever plex price will be when I get back into the game, it will always be at least 30 days of game time.

Remove standings and insurance.

Spc One
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#25 - 2017-07-25 20:21:41 UTC
Me and my friends already left few weeks ago when PLEX reached 3Mil.
Our reason for leaving is PLEX prices, we can't afford it anymore.
Sad
hmskrecik
TransMine Group
#26 - 2017-07-25 20:46:07 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
hmskrecik wrote:
Excuse me but what is the actual problem you are trying to solve?

No, really. Ability to Plex an account was a privilege right from the start. Or put another way, a bonus for being good at the game. If you find it increasingly harder and harder to achieve it, it simply means that many other folks got as good at you, or better.

And from economic perspective, soaring prices mean people are buying. So maybe instead of whining start selling?
None of that is true. Not a word.

PLEX isn't an never was a privilege. It's an option to subbing. Nothing more and nothing less.

Privilige *is* sort of an option. You are not forced to use it. And you are not guaraneed you will be able to.


Quote:

Also, soaring prices does not even remotely mean people are buying. Like with character traders buying and selling among themselves, or skills farmers buying and selling injectors among themselves, PLEX traders are pushing up the price by buying and selling among themselves.

We have very different understanding of economy basics. But this is not the point. My point is that PLEX price is a problem only to those who allowed themselved to be dependent on it.

Quote:

Regular players are caught in the middle. They either pay the insane price or they leave the game.

They can always subscribe. This option is always open.
TackyTachy1
Doomheim
#27 - 2017-07-25 20:59:13 UTC
Ebony Texas wrote:
the best solution to all this drama is simply

BAN PLEX from the fawking game.. seriously ccp this has been your #1 carrot and mistake..

screw free to play

make eve online subscription based again..


you cant afford $15/mo

then simple.. don't play and go play your stinkin free games elsewhere cheap , broke as bastards!..


get a fawking job and pay your membership like every normal gamer does.. simple as that..

sick of these crabs in the barrel always whinning and bitching, moaning and growning over some stupid game time they want for free instead of just out right earning it..

get rid of the PLEX system ccp... its the only solution.



Good answer! I pay for my game time with an annual sub, have yet to figure out what Plex is good for (you can't shoot anything with it) and if you want to play financial games then the world stock markets are wide open and hey, you never know, you might make a few bucks, or shekels, or pesos, or rubles, or pounds, or ounces or that thing they call Euros.

Forum Rep for a bunch of characters, couple corps and one seriously Lost In Space multiboxer.

Kosoku
3Ra Syndicate
#28 - 2017-07-25 21:12:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Kosoku
I've always played with sub, so I don't really get the issue with high plex prices. No one is forcing anyone to pay the sub with plex. It was supposed to be "nice thing to have as an option" which somehow turned into requirements for some.

15 dollars is about a single pack premium smokes. Gets cheaper if you go 3-month pack, 6 month-pack, or annually.
Memphis Baas
#29 - 2017-07-25 21:29:02 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Dear Memphis Bass, I run level 4 missions to pay for my hapless pvp as do many, many players.


Sarcasm doesn't show very well in forum posts, so even though I tried to hint that "simple" solutions like mine and others won't fix the problem as easily as the OP seems to think, I guess the point was lost in the translation.

My point in this thread is that it's the 572nd thread on the topic of the cost of PLEX, and the 224th thread that offers a "simple" solution that does NOTHING to actually solve the issue.

If I wanted to continue the troll, I guess I'd say that the BOUNTIES are a problem, the mission payouts, LP, loot, and salvage are not. That means they actually have to nerf null ratting and anoms, not high-sec PVE missions. But anyway, I don't know CCP's in-game economy better than THEY do (they have an Economics PhD on staff after all), so what I'm suggesting is stupid, and, I imagine, all the other suggestions in this thread are similar to mine, so I'm amused. Does that make sense?
Railyn Quisqueya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2017-07-26 01:22:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Railyn Quisqueya
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
The price of PLEX is a self correcting issue.

If, as some claim, the ever increasing cost of PLEX reduces player numbers to any great extent, CCP will step in with whatever measures they need to to protect their bottom line.

PLEX prices are rising because there is a reduction of players; or rather, a reduction of players willing to pay the subscription for others, which is essentially what PLEX is.

For CCP to step in and change that formula means slashing income to themselves, as the price of PLEX is purely set by how much is someone willing to pay in-game to not have to pay with real currency. As population dwindles PLEX prices will continue to rise until enough PLEX users switch to Alpha clones.

I have to admit I am perPLEXed (pun intended) as to how so many people didn't see this coming. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.
Josef Djugashvilis
#31 - 2017-07-26 07:03:46 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
The price of PLEX is a self correcting issue.

If, as some claim, the ever increasing cost of PLEX reduces player numbers to any great extent, CCP will step in with whatever measures they need to to protect their bottom line.
It's either self correcting or it's not.

If it's self correcting then CPP won't need to step in. If CCP has to step in, then it's not self correcting.

Get off the fence and pick a side, Josef. You can't have it both ways.

Mr Epeen Cool


I have picked a side, it is self correcting, my response was to those who believe that the cost of PLEX will drive players from the game.

If player numbers do not reduce, PLEX is selling at market value, if folk do leave then fewer players wanting to buy PLEX will cause the price to fall.

This is not a signature.

Gavascon
need more power inc.
#32 - 2017-07-26 07:19:23 UTC
the word all of you are eluding to is: INFLATION

INFLATION = a general increase in prices and fall in the purchasing value of money.
in other words, you pay more for the same amount of goods and services.

a players' choice: pay monthly with real money or use PLEX.
cost: 1 month subscription for $14.95 USD or pay $19.99 USD for 500 PLEX (500 PLEX = 30 days of play time).

for those who don't want to use real money to sub their account monthly: use ISK (game money earned from missions/incursions/industry).

incursions are a huge source of ISK. this fact has had eve economists up in arms for years.
why? because incursions have flooded the game with money.
the players earning ISK from incursions then use that ISK to sub their accounts with PLEX.
this keeps the demand for PLEX high.

some players feel that by using ISK to buy PLEX to play for 30 days means they are playing free. but are they?

consider this: the game used to be about ISK/hour.
on this concept, your time is better spent running incursions instead of level 4 missions to generate enough ISK to buy a PLEX.
how much time are you putting into running level 4 missions vs running incursions to make enough ISK used to buy game time with PLEX?

it used to take me 2 or 3 days to earn enough from level 4 missions to sub my account for a month with PLEX.
today, that might take me 2 or 3 weeks grinding level 4 missions. that isn't fun, it's a job.
it may take a player 1 or 2 days running incursions to make enough to use PLEX to fund their account for a month.

in order to deflate the price of PLEX, 2 things would have to occur: 1) the demand would need to drop. 2) the supply would have to be increased to make them worth less.

keep in mind PLEX serves a real purpose: the seller converts real money into ISK (funding a players' wallet) and provides 30 days of game time the buyer.
Verlyn
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2017-07-26 07:24:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Verlyn
Plex inflation ....

To OP:

I pay my subscription Sir,

So stop being a cheap **** to CCP and start paying yours. This game's servers don't run by themselves ...

And reduce those 100 alt accounts you have to a bare minimum, I would say 2.

And learn station trading or get yourself to learn Faction Warfare mission mechanics for isk.

And stop losing/using stupidly expensive ships in pvp. Stop being risk-averse, and start having fun with cheaper ships.

Downgrade all your ****/standards, and live a better game.
Gavascon
need more power inc.
#34 - 2017-07-26 07:34:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Gavascon
verilyn:

seems your post is a tad angry.
also appears you wish to control how the OP plays the game....not good.

take a step back and realize people have a different approach to the game.
let them play as they see fit.


** took down prior posting - it was an incorrect response.
erg cz
ErgoDron
#35 - 2017-07-26 07:38:24 UTC
I think CCP made a mistake, replacing AURum with PLEX. PLEX should stay as a mean to get more game time. All stuff like extractors, skinns, second training queue etc should stay in AURum payed section. Without any way how to get AURum from PLEX or ISK. Only real money cache. That will releas at least some pressure on PLEX prices and will allow few more hundrets of players stay in game. Now thousands are left cause of PLEX (people from the east will not pay 1/10 of their month salary for the internet game, in Ukraine you get 110 euro per month, for example) so content is rapidly evaporating. Of cause there is a summer out there as well, but PLEX was never ever that high.
Alasdan Helminthauge
AirHogs
Hogs Collective
#36 - 2017-07-26 08:08:02 UTC
Ebony Texas wrote:
the best solution to all this drama is simply

BAN PLEX from the fawking game.. seriously ccp this has been your #1 carrot and mistake..

screw free to play

make eve online subscription based again..


you cant afford $15/mo

then simple.. don't play and go play your stinkin free games elsewhere cheap , broke as bastards!..


get a fawking job and pay your membership like every normal gamer does.. simple as that..

sick of these crabs in the barrel always whinning and bitching, moaning and growning over some stupid game time they want for free instead of just out right earning it..

get rid of the PLEX system ccp... its the only solution.



Then some of the money that originally goes to CCP would go to some isk farmers.
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
Brave Collective
#37 - 2017-07-26 08:35:31 UTC
Ebony Texas wrote:
the best solution to all this drama is simply

BAN PLEX from the fawking game.. seriously ccp this has been your #1 carrot and mistake..

screw free to play

make eve online subscription based again..


you cant afford $15/mo

then simple.. don't play and go play your stinkin free games elsewhere cheap , broke as bastards!..


get a fawking job and pay your membership like every normal gamer does.. simple as that..

sick of these crabs in the barrel always whinning and bitching, moaning and growning over some stupid game time they want for free instead of just out right earning it..

get rid of the PLEX system ccp... its the only solution.



i hear ya, but people logging in to be pvp content as they grind pve content is nothing but good.
The occasional whine thread as they have to pve harder/longer to play the game is a small consequence.


Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.

Cypherous
Liberty Rogues
Aprilon Dynasty
#38 - 2017-07-26 13:45:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Cypherous
bubba blitz wrote:
The solution IMHO is quite simply. CCP only has to offer the ability to trade isk for plex directly from CCP. This way they have final say at what the going rate for a plex is.

I mean come on if I can buy a plex directly from CCP for 2.7 mil a piece am I gonna go to a hoarder and pay 3.2 mil?


Sure if they want to go bankrupt, plex costs real world money, if CCP we're literally giving them away for free they would go out of business, CCP can't enforce a price because players set the price, if people don't want to pay that price then the price goes down, all the while people are willing to pay more the price will go up

Also, CCP actually make more money from plex subs than normal subs, go look at the price of 500 plex and the price of 1 months game time :P
Verlyn
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2017-07-26 15:35:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Verlyn
Gavascon wrote:
verilyn:

seems your post is a tad angry.
also appears you wish to control how the OP plays the game....not good.

take a step back and realize people have a different approach to the game.
let them play as they see fit.


** took down prior posting - it was an incorrect response.


Not angry, just annoyed at all the freeloading nerds complaining about the problem, while others actually pay the subscription/rlmoney4plex for them ... ie. making CCP money...

If high price and high demand for Plex is such a problem, then they should stop being the problem they complain about and adapt their playstyle accordingly and jointly to lower their demand, and hence lowering the price for some time.

But thats asking too much for someone just way too deep in their 20x alts mutli-boxing plexed cheetos empire to understand/care further than his own nosebleed ...

Im only saying, the loudest who keep complaining about this are usually the sole incarnates of what they're complaining about.

There's a reason individualistic capitalism begs to eat itself on the long term, because failing to look at the bigger picture, with only self-interests in mind, and this here is a prime example of it.
Spank mehard
Deadspace Depot
#40 - 2017-07-26 15:49:01 UTC
Plex prices are high because there are too many unemployeds that do not realize if you spend a month doing remedial tasks for small amounts of isk to plex their accounts you spend MORE to power your pc and monitor then the money it costs to pay monthly.


Wait for a sale and pay for a year and enjoy being rich in game, plex is not meant to be a permanent solution for you to play an online game.


There are less people buying plexes to sell for isk in the game then ever, due to it being unpopular in general and CCP adding pretty much nothing new in 10 years and having a gameplay free game.

I love eve, but if they haven't added any real content by now they probably wont.

I also agree about removing npc bounties, it just creates a constant flow of isk that breaks the game, bring back meta 0 drops and make ratters scoop and clean their stuff if they want their bounty.

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