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recruiting miners in small corps takes another hit
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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2017-06-16 17:04:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Frostys Virpio
Constelaltion System security Class Corporation Strat index Station belts moons

SLYP-5 89-JPE -0.67 K6 AWE Corporation 5 1 14 51
D-IZT9 -0.66 K6 AWE Corporation 5 1 6 11
E8-432 -0.68 K7 AWE Corporation 5 1 3 6
FGJP-J -0.66 K6 AWE Corporation 5 1 9 54
WU9-ZR -0.69 K7 AWE Corporation 5 1 3 13

Those are like right next to each other but OP's corp can't mine it seems... Please not how the SOV is held by OP's corp.

EDIT : My formatting..... SadSadSad
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#22 - 2017-06-16 18:39:28 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Constelaltion System security Class Corporation Strat index Station belts moons

SLYP-5 89-JPE -0.67 K6 AWE Corporation 5 1 14 51
D-IZT9 -0.66 K6 AWE Corporation 5 1 6 11
E8-432 -0.68 K7 AWE Corporation 5 1 3 6
FGJP-J -0.66 K6 AWE Corporation 5 1 9 54
WU9-ZR -0.69 K7 AWE Corporation 5 1 3 13

Those are like right next to each other but OP's corp can't mine it seems... Please not how the SOV is held by OP's corp.

EDIT : My formatting..... SadSadSad

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leavwiz
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
#23 - 2017-06-17 14:18:44 UTC
I truly appreciate all the responses to my post. the intent was to stimulate discussion and hear something other than the complaints initially generated by the mining changes and fighter changes.
to be clear. My alliance is not one of the small renters I mentioned. I spoke on behalf of others that I know through diplo channels
I am a rorqual owner and agree they were OP from the get go. And unless someone blows injectors to fly one, they are not for newbies.
After several days of the new changes. the only real complaint seems to be the belt respawn timing. It is pretty annoying and perhaps a better mechanic could have been considered instead of just assuming miners would move to other space as the belts died (they do, but greedy ABC miners leave the mercoxit so respawns depend on the dedicated souls that clear it).

I am constantly amazed by the dedication and efforts of venture and procurer pilots who are the ones really eking out a living. Making ore harder to get should help the market and in turn help those players, But, as CCP pointed out, the large alliances simply move to other belts in their systems and keep on trucking. So n after all the hue and cry, things didn't really change much,

The only bait and switch scenario here was the shiny that made kids with credit cards buy injectors to skill up for the rorq not expecting a double nerf

Thanks again to all that respondied. There were plenty of logical responses beyond the snide remards that are so popular in these forums
Harok Dunaila
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#24 - 2017-06-19 08:21:18 UTC
Why rent space if you can mine nullsec for free in an area like Providence. Plenty of nullsec ores around. All kind and sizes of miners are welcome. Just check if you are KOS or not.

You help a scheme of extortion instead of helping miners..... Same as CODE is asking for money in highsec. You should whine at the renters not at the game itself.

Help civilised people if you want a civilised system. Don't give your isk to folks who would just buy ships to shoot more miners or civilised people.

Imho they should pay you for the boring (constructive) job that mining is....
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#25 - 2017-06-19 08:33:23 UTC
leavwiz wrote:
Simply put, small corps renting space are struggling with the mining changes.

I underlined your problem.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#26 - 2017-06-19 08:44:56 UTC
Harok Dunaila wrote:
You help a scheme of extortion instead of helping miners..... Same as CODE is asking for money in highsec. You should whine at the renters not at the game itself.

While I agree that it is completely appropriate to compare the ownership of space of a sov holding alliance to the ownership of Highsec of the New Order (CODEsov), how in the world is 10mil ISK for the access to all of Highsec resources for a full year extortion? I mean how does that compare to renting a single system for billions of ISK per month?

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Salvos Rhoska
#27 - 2017-06-19 08:56:30 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Harok Dunaila wrote:
You help a scheme of extortion instead of helping miners..... Same as CODE is asking for money in highsec. You should whine at the renters not at the game itself.

While I agree that it is completely appropriate to compare the ownership of space of a sov holding alliance to the ownership of Highsec of the New Order (CODEsov), how in the world is 10mil ISK for the access to all of Highsec resources for a full year extortion? I mean how does that compare to renting a single system for billions of ISK per month?


Plz....

Also, I thought licenses only lasted a month.

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Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2017-06-19 11:43:14 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Harok Dunaila wrote:
You help a scheme of extortion instead of helping miners..... Same as CODE is asking for money in highsec. You should whine at the renters not at the game itself.

While I agree that it is completely appropriate to compare the ownership of space of a sov holding alliance to the ownership of Highsec of the New Order (CODEsov), how in the world is 10mil ISK for the access to all of Highsec resources for a full year extortion? I mean how does that compare to renting a single system for billions of ISK per month?


Plz....

Also, I thought licenses only lasted a month.

No licences last until they think you are worth attacking, at which point they will tell you after your ship explodes that you broke some rule.

Like not just handing over your cargo.

The CSM gets in the way of CCP communicating properly with the players of this game.

After all we are not just players, we are customers.

Time for the CSM to be disbanded.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#29 - 2017-06-19 12:14:45 UTC
Harok Dunaila wrote:
Why rent space if you can mine nullsec for free in an area like Providence. Plenty of nullsec ores around. All kind and sizes of miners are welcome. Just check if you are KOS or not.


I'm not a proponent of renting (i think 'renters' should be banding together to take space not rent it), but Providence sucks. it's nothing more than a play ground for roaming gangs and where people bring in 'clean' (not on the KOS list) characters to gank people. I've lived in providence 4 times and it was a headache every time. While i don't like renting I'd find being a renter preferable to being cattle like you tend to be in providence.

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You help a scheme of extortion instead of helping miners..... Same as CODE is asking for money in highsec. You should whine at the renters not at the game itself.


Why does every discussion on this forum have to turn into something about CODE? You know you're just feeding them when you do that, right?

Quote:

Help civilised people if you want a civilised system. Don't give your isk to folks who would just buy ships to shoot more miners or civilised people.

Imho they should pay you for the boring (constructive) job that mining is....


The word civilised has no place here, you're playing a video game.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#30 - 2017-06-19 12:18:43 UTC
JennaSide had it correct imo. As soon as something gets super popular it gets the nerf bat until theres another FOTM, more than once if necessary to "motivate" players.

Looks like rorquals got the motivational speech from CCP.Twisted

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Pix Severus
Empty You
#31 - 2017-06-19 12:32:08 UTC
Mark Marconi wrote:
No licences last until they think you are worth attacking, at which point they will tell you after your ship explodes that you broke some rule.

Like not just handing over your cargo.


If an agent manages to land a gank on you, it means you weren't following The Code, which is a permit violation.

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Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2017-06-19 12:54:51 UTC
Pix Severus wrote:
Mark Marconi wrote:
No licences last until they think you are worth attacking, at which point they will tell you after your ship explodes that you broke some rule.

Like not just handing over your cargo.


If an agent manages to land a gank on you, it means you weren't following The Code, which is a permit violation.

Exactly.

Tank>Bribe.

The CSM gets in the way of CCP communicating properly with the players of this game.

After all we are not just players, we are customers.

Time for the CSM to be disbanded.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2017-06-19 13:23:35 UTC
leavwiz wrote:
I truly appreciate all the responses to my post. the intent was to stimulate discussion and hear something other than the complaints initially generated by the mining changes and fighter changes.
to be clear. My alliance is not one of the small renters I mentioned. I spoke on behalf of others that I know through diplo channels
I am a rorqual owner and agree they were OP from the get go. And unless someone blows injectors to fly one, they are not for newbies.
After several days of the new changes. the only real complaint seems to be the belt respawn timing. It is pretty annoying and perhaps a better mechanic could have been considered instead of just assuming miners would move to other space as the belts died (they do, but greedy ABC miners leave the mercoxit so respawns depend on the dedicated souls that clear it).

I am constantly amazed by the dedication and efforts of venture and procurer pilots who are the ones really eking out a living. Making ore harder to get should help the market and in turn help those players, But, as CCP pointed out, the large alliances simply move to other belts in their systems and keep on trucking. So n after all the hue and cry, things didn't really change much,

The only bait and switch scenario here was the shiny that made kids with credit cards buy injectors to skill up for the rorq not expecting a double nerf

Thanks again to all that respondied. There were plenty of logical responses beyond the snide remards that are so popular in these forums


Anyone who is a "small group of miner in venture and procurers" will not mine out a system by themselves in a single day. Those criteria just don't add up.

If you think renters have it hard, change your renting scheme so they have shared access to all system for example. The pocket I listed could easily have rules that the whole pocket is fair game for everyone withing a selected group of renters for example and they would probably never be able to mine out the 5 colossal that can be generated there. At 1 colossal/hours they would have an steady supply of those anoms without even touching the smaller ones or the belts.

"Think of the renter" is stupid since they accepted the terms anyway. If they want to have it better, they need to re-negotiate their lease contracts by taking the new reality into account. Or they could stop renting...
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