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Maybe and the worst event i ever see in online game

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De La Guarda
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2017-06-13 20:35:59 UTC  |  Edited by: De La Guarda
A alpha
I start today my game and i hear about a pve event for all players
Alpha and Omega
So i deside to try my luck i go there start killing all enemy npcs
and then in the end in the big boss to say so
warp a random player 3 hits boss down loot only for him.....
With other words
ok you want make a event ? make it fair ....wtf is that.....
5 times the same story i clear the place then like magic warp a Random player kill the boss take the loot and leave....
Blade Darth
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#2 - 2017-06-13 20:57:58 UTC
It is fair. Nothing prohibits you from stealing sites from others or killing their ships once they get the suspect timer. 2 day old alpha in a 350k isk frigate can kill a faction cruiser if flown and fitted properly.

Move out of high sec, believe or not, most of nullsec is more secure than HS, and people will respect your exploration sites. At least people in your alliance and other friendlies. Most of the others will be more scared of you than you of them, that leaves 1-5% you should be worried about. One encounter per day or week, instead of the 5 thieves you meet in a day.

Welcome to gaming before it went turbo-casual.

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Black Pedro
Mine.
#3 - 2017-06-14 06:11:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Pedro
First, Eve isn't fair. All the PvE is designed to put you in competition with the other players. You have to defend what you have and take what you want. It is the main idea of the game.

Second, not only were all the other special events largely like this, all the PvE in general is like this and always has been. Players can swoop into your mission or site and ninja the loot. Maybe things are different in other online games, but this is the norm for Eve.

Perhaps you are just new to Eve, but I can assure you this is working as intended. Adapt to the other players and beat them at the game. Who knows, you might find the competition with another human rewarding and fun when you figure out how to best them.

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De La Guarda
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2017-06-14 12:54:54 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:
First, Eve isn't fair. All the PvE is designed to put you in competition with the other players. You have to defend what you have and take what you want. It is the main idea of the game.

Second, not only were all the other special events largely like this, all the PvE in general is like this and always has been. Players can swoop into your mission or site and ninja the loot. Maybe things are different in other online games, but this is the norm for Eve.

Perhaps you are just new to Eve, but I can assure you this is working as intended. Adapt to the other players and beat them at the game. Who knows, you might find the competition with another human rewarding and fun when you figure out how to best them.


So you want to say me that EvE is a game for thieves & unethical's players without respect for the others
and anyone do what he want without the GMs to interfere ?
And for all this we must pay for to get a decent ship ?
Just asking......
Aplysia Vejun
Children of Agasul
#5 - 2017-06-14 13:04:32 UTC
De La Guarda wrote:
Black Pedro wrote:
First, Eve isn't fair. All the PvE is designed to put you in competition with the other players. You have to defend what you have and take what you want. It is the main idea of the game.

Second, not only were all the other special events largely like this, all the PvE in general is like this and always has been. Players can swoop into your mission or site and ninja the loot. Maybe things are different in other online games, but this is the norm for Eve.

Perhaps you are just new to Eve, but I can assure you this is working as intended. Adapt to the other players and beat them at the game. Who knows, you might find the competition with another human rewarding and fun when you figure out how to best them.


So you want to say me that EvE is a game for thieves & unethical's players without respect for the others
and anyone do what he want without the GMs to interfere ?
And for all this we must pay for to get a decent ship ?
Just asking......

That is the famous spirit of eve online.
Yes, stealing and scamming isn't forbidden.

...there are some good ships you can fly as an alpha ( gnosis is the best)
Black Pedro
Mine.
#6 - 2017-06-14 13:19:47 UTC
De La Guarda wrote:
So you want to say me that EvE is a game for thieves & unethical's players without respect for the others
and anyone do what he want without the GMs to interfere ?
And for all this we must pay for to get a decent ship ?
Just asking......
Eve is a competitive game where you compete against the other players for resources and power. Just like it isn't stealing for another player to take the ball away from you in football, or it isn't unethical for your opponent to bluff you into folding your hand in poker, it is intended game play for the other players to try to take your stuff, or the resources of New Eden faster than you.

If you don't want to play against other players, then you are playing the wrong game.

As for your specific problem, a better or bigger ship isn't a magic 'I win' button. There are plenty of strategies you can consider to be the first one to get the loot from including using a different ship (one quicker at looting or that has a weapons system that is more likely to get the final blow), bringing friends, or searching in less contested areas of New Eden.

The 8 Golden Rules of Eve

Why Do They Gank?
De La Guarda
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2017-06-14 13:46:23 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:
De La Guarda wrote:
So you want to say me that EvE is a game for thieves & unethical's players without respect for the others
and anyone do what he want without the GMs to interfere ?
And for all this we must pay for to get a decent ship ?
Just asking......
Eve is a competitive game where you compete against the other players for resources and power. Just like it isn't stealing for another player to take the ball away from you in football, or it isn't unethical for your opponent to bluff you into folding your hand in poker, it is intended game play for the other players to try to take your stuff, or the resources of New Eden faster than you.

If you don't want to play against other players, then you are playing the wrong game.

As for your specific problem, a better or bigger ship isn't a magic 'I win' button. There are plenty of strategies you can consider to be the first one to get the loot from including using a different ship (one quicker at looting or that has a weapons system that is more likely to get the final blow), bringing friends, or searching in less contested areas of New Eden.


Well mate without offence
no stealing to take my effort away ?
Hmmm let me guess if somebody steal your car((your effort)) you gona say : Good Bluff ?
if they empty your house ((your efford)) you gonna say : Nice hand ? or Straight Flush ?
and if you see a person to kill somebody you gonna say : Goal,Offside or you gonna whistle foul and give him the Red Card ?

i am not trying to say you can compare EvE is real life
but some actions is (( universal )) even is legal or illegal...
my point is that should be a rule in events i am not speaking for the whole game
Most kill's take the loot for example so can everybody win
Black Pedro
Mine.
#8 - 2017-06-14 14:14:46 UTC
De La Guarda wrote:
Black Pedro wrote:
De La Guarda wrote:
So you want to say me that EvE is a game for thieves & unethical's players without respect for the others
and anyone do what he want without the GMs to interfere ?
And for all this we must pay for to get a decent ship ?
Just asking......
Eve is a competitive game where you compete against the other players for resources and power. Just like it isn't stealing for another player to take the ball away from you in football, or it isn't unethical for your opponent to bluff you into folding your hand in poker, it is intended game play for the other players to try to take your stuff, or the resources of New Eden faster than you.

If you don't want to play against other players, then you are playing the wrong game.

As for your specific problem, a better or bigger ship isn't a magic 'I win' button. There are plenty of strategies you can consider to be the first one to get the loot from including using a different ship (one quicker at looting or that has a weapons system that is more likely to get the final blow), bringing friends, or searching in less contested areas of New Eden.


Well mate without offence
no stealing to take my effort away ?
Hmmm let me guess if somebody steal your car((your effort)) you gona say : Good Bluff ?
if they empty your house ((your efford)) you gonna say : Nice hand ? or Straight Flush ?
and if you see a person to kill somebody you gonna say : Goal,Offside or you gonna whistle foul and give him the Red Card ?

i am not trying to say you can compare EvE is real life
but some actions is (( universal )) even is legal or illegal...
my point is that should be a rule in events i am not speaking for the whole game
Most kill's take the loot for example so can everybody win
All of Eve is like this. It isn't real life. It is a giant virtual sandbox where we all compete in a giant free-for-all of chaos and mayhem for resources.

Eve is much more enjoyable if you get over the idea that these virtual items have value or meaning because of your "effort". They are just chits in a massively complex virtual casino that is New Eden. None of these virtual assets have any real value. CCP could have made these sites, or any of the of PvP content instanced and locked away from other players. They didn't, because this competition and player interaction is the main point of the game. You are suppose to be competing with the other players, like you would in a football match or a poker game, not treating Eve as real life. I know they say 'Eve is real' but that doesn't mean you should be personally offended when someone shoots your spaceship or steals your stuff. It's all part of the game.

I get that might be harder for newer or poorer players, but such is the game. From what I have seen, older players are not especially advantaged in these sites, although I will admit I haven't tried to run them as an alpha. But regardless, I am not sure what you want CCP to do. They are not going to turn this game into a FarmVille-in-space clone where you are immune to the actions of the other players and you are rewarded for your "effort" of clicking on things with no chance of losing.

If I were you, I would wait a few days until the initial rush has died down a bit and then hunt these sights in quiet places and/or at quieter times. I think you will find evading the competition a valid strategy for farming these sites.

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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#9 - 2017-06-14 14:24:12 UTC
It seems to have same structure like other events done after CCP stopped doing Live Events.

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Celakaren
W.O.R.M-S.W.A.R.M
#10 - 2017-06-14 22:51:09 UTC
De La Guarda wrote:
Black Pedro wrote:
De La Guarda wrote:
So you want to say me that EvE is a game for thieves & unethical's players without respect for the others
and anyone do what he want without the GMs to interfere ?
And for all this we must pay for to get a decent ship ?
Just asking......
Eve is a competitive game where you compete against the other players for resources and power. Just like it isn't stealing for another player to take the ball away from you in football, or it isn't unethical for your opponent to bluff you into folding your hand in poker, it is intended game play for the other players to try to take your stuff, or the resources of New Eden faster than you.

If you don't want to play against other players, then you are playing the wrong game.

As for your specific problem, a better or bigger ship isn't a magic 'I win' button. There are plenty of strategies you can consider to be the first one to get the loot from including using a different ship (one quicker at looting or that has a weapons system that is more likely to get the final blow), bringing friends, or searching in less contested areas of New Eden.


Well mate without offence
no stealing to take my effort away ?
Hmmm let me guess if somebody steal your car((your effort)) you gona say : Good Bluff ?
if they empty your house ((your efford)) you gonna say : Nice hand ? or Straight Flush ?
and if you see a person to kill somebody you gonna say : Goal,Offside or you gonna whistle foul and give him the Red Card ?

i am not trying to say you can compare EvE is real life
but some actions is (( universal )) even is legal or illegal...
my point is that should be a rule in events i am not speaking for the whole game
Most kill's take the loot for example so can everybody win


Honestly, you may be happier in Null. Highsec exploration is a speed game: can you end the site before a competitor does? There are those that will give first come rights. Don't count on it though.

Null... well, if someone from outside the alliance comes in to ninja stuff, there is nothing stopping the owners from taking a slightly harder line on theft and tresspassing than concord. Usually with a few warp scramblers/bubbles and lots of explosives.
Zarek Kree
Lunatic Legion Holdings
#11 - 2017-06-14 23:28:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarek Kree
De La Guarda wrote:
So you want to say me that EvE is a game for thieves & unethical's players without respect for the others
and anyone do what he want without the GMs to interfere ?


To that I say - yes. That's a pretty accurate assessment of the game. Which is exactly why EVE is famous for it's brutality.
Schelyra
Weltenbrand Inc.
#12 - 2017-06-14 23:56:47 UTC
De La Guarda wrote:

So you want to say me that EvE is a game for thieves & unethical's players without respect for the others
and anyone do what he want without the GMs to interfere ?


Mostly, yes. If you want fair pve content, play wow.
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#13 - 2017-06-15 00:08:47 UTC
De La Guarda wrote:


So you want to say me that EvE is a game for thieves & unethical's players without respect for the others
and anyone do what he want without the GMs to interfere ?
And for all this we must pay for to get a decent ship ?
Just asking......


Paying as in RL cash? Well thats up to you. Everything in game can be earned from isk in game.

To your other points I would refer you to this post by CCP Falcon:

CCP Falcon wrote:

Eve is not a game for the faint hearted. It's a game that will chew you up and spit you out in the blink of an eye if you even think about letting your guard down or becoming complacent.

While every other MMO starts off with an intro that tells you you're going to be the savior of the realm, holds your hand, protects you, nurtures your development and ultimately guides you to your destiny as a hero along with several other million players who've had the exact same experience, EVE assaults you from the second you begin to play after you create a character, spitting you out into a universe that under the surface, is so complex that it's enough to make your head explode.

The entire design is based around being harsh, vicious, relentless, hostile and cold. It's about action and reaction, and the story that unfolds as you experience these two things.

True, we're working hard to lower the bar of entry so that more players can enjoy EVE and can get into the game. Our NPE (New Player Experience) is challenging, and we're trying to improve it to better prepare rookies for what lies out there, but when you start to play eve, you'll always start out as the little fish in the big pond.

The only way to grow is to voraciously consume what's around you, and its your choice whether that happens to be New Eden's abundant natural resources, or the other people who're also fighting their way to the top.

EVE is a playing experience like no other, where every action or reaction resonates through a single universe and is felt by players from all corners of the word. There are no shards here, no mirror universes, no instances and very few rules. If you stumble across something valuable, then chances are someone else already knows where you are, or is working their way toward you and you better be prepared to fight for what you've discovered.

EVE will test you from the outset, from the very second you undock and glimpse the stars, and will take pleasure from sorting those who can survive from those who'd rather curl up and perish.

EVE will let you fight until you collapse, then let you struggle to your feet, exhausted from the effort. Then when you can see the light at the end of the tunnel it'll kick you flat on your ass in the mud again and ask you why you deserve to be standing. It'll test you against every other individual playing at some point or another, and it'll ask for answers.

Give it an answer and maybe it'll let you up again, long enough to gather your thoughts. After a few more steps you're on the ground again and it's asking more questions.

EVE is designed to be harsh, it's designed to be challenging, and it's designed to be so deep and complex that it should fascinate and terrify you at the same time.

Corporation, Alliances and coalitions of tens of thousands have risen and fallen on these basic principles, and every one of those thousands of people has their own unique story to tell about how it affected them and what they experienced.

That's the beauty of EVE. Action and reaction. Emergence.

Welcome to the most frightening virtual playground you'll ever experience.


ISD Max Trix

Lieutenant

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

I do not respond to EVE mails about forum moderation.
Schelyra
Weltenbrand Inc.
#14 - 2017-06-15 00:16:11 UTC
found this quote in another topic. maybe you get it if you read it.

Jennifer Starblaze wrote:
I would give it a 5/5 so far, sure the difficulty is a joke, but I am having lots of fun stealing the final spawn from other people, made more or less 2b in 1.5 hours and had a jackdaw going suspect while my bhaalgorn was sitting right on top of it :).
Caldari Phantom
We Got Beer
#15 - 2017-06-15 05:42:41 UTC
De La Guarda wrote:
A alpha
I start today my game and i hear about a pve event for all players
Alpha and Omega
So i deside to try my luck i go there start killing all enemy npcs
and then in the end in the big boss to say so
warp a random player 3 hits boss down loot only for him.....
With other words
ok you want make a event ? make it fair ....wtf is that.....
5 times the same story i clear the place then like magic warp a Random player kill the boss take the loot and leave....


Welcome to eve :)
Sophia Aiderone
The Carolean Army
#16 - 2017-06-17 14:01:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Sophia Aiderone
Yea it really sucks tbh.... Every single friend I have brought into EVE has quit because of how ****** up "high sec" is. Tbh they should rename it because it seems all the assholes in the world has gathered there to grief and leech from new players. Rename it to "scam sec" or something and make an entirely new zone for newbros... But back on topic, yea I have also run multiple sites and have looted ZERO... I guess I have to start doing them in cheaper ships so I can try to kill those guys stealing the loot. I guess that wouldnt really work though since most scumbags fly around in teams while leeching... Frustrating to say the least... Im not even sure why I bothered to begin with.

And btw, dont listen to ppl telling you "oh a frigate can **** up a faction cruiser"... Yea they can, but as a new player, alpha, and in T1 ships and poor modules you wont be a fight for anything other than anoter newbro. But yeah... GL HF anyway! What?
LUBI MOJA
Samus XII
#17 - 2017-06-17 18:29:04 UTC
De La Guarda wrote:
take the loot and leave....

Loot is not yours, loot belongs to player that did most dps on last npc.
If you steal it and it's not yours you're the thief.

Get a better ship or buy skill injectors to get into better ship and you'll win the dps war.

When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade, burn the house down, with lemons™
Blade Darth
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#18 - 2017-06-17 18:29:07 UTC
Sophia Aiderone wrote:
Every single friend I have brought into EVE has quit because of how ****** up "high sec" is. Tbh they should rename it
Yes it sucks. They should rename it to "tutorial zone" and reduce the number of HS systems to 20.



Sophia Aiderone wrote:
dont listen to ppl telling you "oh a frigate can **** up a faction cruiser"... Yea they can, but as a new player, alpha, and in T1 ships and poor modules you wont be a fight for anything other than anoter newbro. But yeah... GL HF anyway! What?
Incorrect. Sort of. A new player lacks the skill and knowledge but a 2 day old smurf alpha account flying something it earned doing lvl 1 missions (I don't want to leave any traces to my main, do I... xP) can kill a 8 month old toon in t2 fit faction ship. It might take 50 minutes, but it's doable.

Omen Navy Issue Tutorial
LUBI MOJA
Samus XII
#19 - 2017-06-17 18:35:14 UTC
De La Guarda wrote:

Well mate without offence
no stealing to take my effort away ?
Hmmm let me guess if somebody steal your car((your effort)) you gona say : Good Bluff ?
if they empty your house ((your efford)) you gonna say : Nice hand ? or Straight Flush ?
and if you see a person to kill somebody you gonna say : Goal,Offside or you gonna whistle foul and give him the Red Card ?


Except the car (your effort) is not yours it's there so the public use it.
Event is public for everyone it's not only yours, eve is also not only yours, so everyone can do these sites, this means that anyone can get the loot.

Unless you wanna tell us you bought whole eve online for yourself, and you own it now.


When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade, burn the house down, with lemons™
Sophia Aiderone
The Carolean Army
#20 - 2017-06-17 18:42:25 UTC
Blade Darth wrote:
Sophia Aiderone wrote:
Every single friend I have brought into EVE has quit because of how ****** up "high sec" is. Tbh they should rename it
Yes it sucks. They should rename it to "tutorial zone" and reduce the number of HS systems to 20.



Sophia Aiderone wrote:
dont listen to ppl telling you "oh a frigate can **** up a faction cruiser"... Yea they can, but as a new player, alpha, and in T1 ships and poor modules you wont be a fight for anything other than anoter newbro. But yeah... GL HF anyway! What?
Incorrect. Sort of. A new player lacks the skill and knowledge but a 2 day old smurf alpha account flying something it earned doing lvl 1 missions (I don't want to leave any traces to my main, do I... xP) can kill a 8 month old toon in t2 fit faction ship. It might take 50 minutes, but it's doable.


Therefor its not an option for a newbro. He would have a better chance of getting struck by lightning 10 times in 1 hour. Lol

LUBI MOJA wrote:
De La Guarda wrote:
take the loot and leave....

Loot is not yours, loot belongs to player that did most dps on last npc.
If you steal it and it's not yours you're the thief.

Get a better ship or buy skill injectors to get into better ship and you'll win the dps war.


The issue this newbro, and probably every other newbro aswell are having, is that they most likely cannot afford niether injectors and/or T2 stuff. Most of them probably dont even know about skill injectors and T2 modules, let alone have access to any of it. So therefor he cant compete in this case, he just gets steamrolled. Im trying to point out how chanceless a new player really is, especially in a cancerous place like HS. Starting area should be more carebear so they can get the hang of it all, not getting completely gutted by professional grievers. Most ppl wont spend weeks or months learning by failing and grinding isk just to see at the end of it if its a fun game. It's just not worth it. It will only result in what I had; every single guy who I brought into Eve quit before they get a chance to dive deeper into the game. Its a shame really...
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