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EVE-Monument in Reykjavik in a bad state

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#21 - 2017-06-12 17:41:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Doris Laur wrote:
Lothros Andastar wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Caldari Phantom wrote:
Its gonna be funny in a few hundred years time, when humanity forgets what that monument was for.
In a few hundred years Iceland will have become the new Atlantis. A rumor from the time before the icecaps melted.

That monument will be the least of the things forgotten.

Mr Epeen Cool

Icecaps melting would actually increase the area of farmable and liveable space.


Really? Maybe on Greenland and Antarctica. Icecaps melting will actually raise the ocean levels by quite a lot, reducing coastlines everywhere.



Ever have a glass of ice melt? What happened? It filled up with the same volume of water? Sort of. Ever freeze a bottle of water? Did the bottle expand a little?

All this "the sea levels are rising!!!! OMG TAX ALL THE THINGS" is BS. See even the "secular" types have an end time prophecy based on "punishments for sins" or something (the more things change....) except the more arcane types never asked to tax everything we do to stop it.

Meanwhile, in Middle America, we actually wish the sea levels would rise so the coastal cities would drown and we can be free of their votes.


As for the monument: It's perfectly representing the state of the game and the relationship between CCP and the player base at the moment. Everything is fine. (hurf blurf)

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

mkint
#22 - 2017-06-12 17:44:02 UTC
Cypherous wrote:
mkint wrote:
Surprise surprise. CCP manufactures a lot of hype around something and then fails to maintain it. That's never happened before, he said sarcastically.


Well there isn't much you can do when you pick the wrong materials, that looks like rust, you can't really do much about that unless you started with something that doesn't rust

I do some related work. And yeah, obviously you start with appropriate materials. But then you follow an appropriate maintenance schedule. The work I do has a 7 to 15 year maintenance cycle depending on materials in a semi-industrial setting much of it coastal. Even if they made a spectacular failure in choice of materials, they could still go out and hose the salt spray off it a couple times a year. I've seen thousand-year-old monuments in better condition. No, this monument was never about being an actual monument to players, it was an ego project for Hilmar exploited for marketing, while becoming a sad microcosm of the state of EVE.

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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#23 - 2017-06-12 17:55:35 UTC
Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:
Guard needs to be sent out there with a toothbrush scrubber.

Get on it CCP!



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Gogela
The Conference Elite
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#24 - 2017-06-12 18:02:46 UTC
Maybe it got outsourced to the same outfit that made the USB hub Rifter. Lol

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2017-06-12 18:59:37 UTC
There's only so much you can do against the effects of salt water, wind, rain, snow. Maybe for EVE's 20th birthday they can replace all the tiles with updated names and such.

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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#26 - 2017-06-12 19:00:51 UTC
mkint wrote:
Surprise surprise. CCP manufactures a lot of hype around something and then fails to maintain it. That's never happened before, he said sarcastically.

Blame the city of Reykjavik. They own it.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#27 - 2017-06-12 19:03:13 UTC
mkint wrote:
Cypherous wrote:
mkint wrote:
Surprise surprise. CCP manufactures a lot of hype around something and then fails to maintain it. That's never happened before, he said sarcastically.


Well there isn't much you can do when you pick the wrong materials, that looks like rust, you can't really do much about that unless you started with something that doesn't rust

I do some related work. And yeah, obviously you start with appropriate materials. But then you follow an appropriate maintenance schedule. The work I do has a 7 to 15 year maintenance cycle depending on materials in a semi-industrial setting much of it coastal. Even if they made a spectacular failure in choice of materials, they could still go out and hose the salt spray off it a couple times a year. I've seen thousand-year-old monuments in better condition. No, this monument was never about being an actual monument to players, it was an ego project for Hilmar exploited for marketing, while becoming a sad microcosm of the state of EVE.



If I recall correctly, from the reports regarding the vandalizing of the monument, those plates are made of aluminum. They don't rust. But what we gain from not rusting from getting wet once (like a project car with the paint stripped off will practically rust overnight if the weather is humid) we get in long term corrosion. Aluminum corrodes way worse than metal rusts. It "explodes". Ever seen aluminum corrode when inside a laminate because salt water got into one crack? It's ugly. I worked as a marine mechanic for a while and have seen some horrid examples of boats.

Would have been better to engrave the names in steel plates, and then let it rust for a "Minmatar look". This aluminum in that salty environment won't last.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Rain6637
NulzSec
#28 - 2017-06-12 19:24:21 UTC
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
#29 - 2017-06-12 19:58:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Algarion Getz
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Doris Laur wrote:
Lothros Andastar wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Caldari Phantom wrote:
Its gonna be funny in a few hundred years time, when humanity forgets what that monument was for.
In a few hundred years Iceland will have become the new Atlantis. A rumor from the time before the icecaps melted.

That monument will be the least of the things forgotten.

Mr Epeen Cool

Icecaps melting would actually increase the area of farmable and liveable space.


Really? Maybe on Greenland and Antarctica. Icecaps melting will actually raise the ocean levels by quite a lot, reducing coastlines everywhere.



Ever have a glass of ice melt? What happened? It filled up with the same volume of water? Sort of. Ever freeze a bottle of water? Did the bottle expand a little?

All this "the sea levels are rising!!!! OMG TAX ALL THE THINGS" is BS. See even the "secular" types have an end time prophecy based on "punishments for sins" or something (the more things change....) except the more arcane types never asked to tax everything we do to stop it.

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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#30 - 2017-06-12 20:16:03 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
It was made from something that oxidizes? lol cool


The tiles were of laser-engraved aluminum, then placed on the floor right by the sea. They don't oxidize*, they just corrode themselves to hell and that can be seen in the places more exposed to salty water (corners and edges).


*aluminum is always oxidized, covered with a thin layer of aluminum oxide. Unfortunately and unlike stainless steel, that layer doesn't prevents oxygen to penetrate further and turn the metal into more aluminum oxide i.e. corrode it.
Elenahina
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2017-06-12 21:21:59 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Stall
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Doris Laur wrote:
Lothros Andastar wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Caldari Phantom wrote:
Its gonna be funny in a few hundred years time, when humanity forgets what that monument was for.
In a few hundred years Iceland will have become the new Atlantis. A rumor from the time before the icecaps melted.

That monument will be the least of the things forgotten.

Mr Epeen Cool

Icecaps melting would actually increase the area of farmable and liveable space.


Really? Maybe on Greenland and Antarctica. Icecaps melting will actually raise the ocean levels by quite a lot, reducing coastlines everywhere.



Ever have a glass of ice melt? What happened? It filled up with the same volume of water? Sort of. Ever freeze a bottle of water? Did the bottle expand a little?

All this "the sea levels are rising!!!! OMG TAX ALL THE THINGS" is BS. See even the "secular" types have an end time prophecy based on "punishments for sins" or something (the more things change....) except the more arcane types never asked to tax everything we do to stop it.

Meanwhile, in Middle America, we actually wish the sea levels would rise so the coastal cities would drown and we can be free of their votes.


As for the monument: It's perfectly representing the state of the game and the relationship between CCP and the player base at the moment. Everything is fine. (hurf blurf)


I'd agree with you, if all the ice on the world were floating. Unfortunately, quite a lot of it is over landmasses, so when it melts it will increase sea level because you're adding more water to the same bowl.


Edit: Removed discussion on religion and politics. Regards ISD Stall.

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Don Pera Saissore
#32 - 2017-06-12 21:29:34 UTC
The plates are aluminum, right?
Sethyrh Nakrar
#33 - 2017-06-12 21:52:59 UTC
Don Pera Saissore wrote:
The plates are aluminum, right?

Yeah. But aluminium is oxitizing too. Trust me, I welded that stuff.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#34 - 2017-06-12 22:22:46 UTC
Lothros Andastar wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Caldari Phantom wrote:
Its gonna be funny in a few hundred years time, when humanity forgets what that monument was for.
In a few hundred years Iceland will have become the new Atlantis. A rumor from the time before the icecaps melted.

That monument will be the least of the things forgotten.

Mr Epeen Cool

Icecaps melting would actually increase the area of farmable and liveable space.


To be fair Iceland would go from vast fields of ice to vast fields of volcanic rock.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#35 - 2017-06-12 22:25:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Sethyrh Nakrar wrote:
Don Pera Saissore wrote:
The plates are aluminum, right?

Yeah. But aluminium is oxitizing too. Trust me, I welded that stuff.
Crusty Land Rover bodies being a prime example; although the bits bolted to the steel chassis go first, due to the aluminium body being the anode in a corrosive galvanic reaction.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Rovinia
Exotic Dancers Union
SONS of BANE
#36 - 2017-06-12 22:37:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Rovinia
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#37 - 2017-06-12 22:58:21 UTC


Quality shitposting.
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc
Templis CALSF
#38 - 2017-06-12 23:05:40 UTC
Why would it matter when the sun will crash on the earth and even hiding in a bunker won't save us.

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Demica Diaz
SE-1
#39 - 2017-06-12 23:35:23 UTC
EVE is dying, confirmed. Lol
mkint
#40 - 2017-06-13 01:12:22 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
mkint wrote:
Cypherous wrote:
mkint wrote:
Surprise surprise. CCP manufactures a lot of hype around something and then fails to maintain it. That's never happened before, he said sarcastically.


Well there isn't much you can do when you pick the wrong materials, that looks like rust, you can't really do much about that unless you started with something that doesn't rust

I do some related work. And yeah, obviously you start with appropriate materials. But then you follow an appropriate maintenance schedule. The work I do has a 7 to 15 year maintenance cycle depending on materials in a semi-industrial setting much of it coastal. Even if they made a spectacular failure in choice of materials, they could still go out and hose the salt spray off it a couple times a year. I've seen thousand-year-old monuments in better condition. No, this monument was never about being an actual monument to players, it was an ego project for Hilmar exploited for marketing, while becoming a sad microcosm of the state of EVE.



If I recall correctly, from the reports regarding the vandalizing of the monument, those plates are made of aluminum. They don't rust. But what we gain from not rusting from getting wet once (like a project car with the paint stripped off will practically rust overnight if the weather is humid) we get in long term corrosion. Aluminum corrodes way worse than metal rusts. It "explodes". Ever seen aluminum corrode when inside a laminate because salt water got into one crack? It's ugly. I worked as a marine mechanic for a while and have seen some horrid examples of boats.

Would have been better to engrave the names in steel plates, and then let it rust for a "Minmatar look". This aluminum in that salty environment won't last.

Like I said, spectacular failure in choice of materials (and I'm still pretty sure that hosing it down every spring would have helped.) Why did they not make it from stainless steel? Stainless may have been harder to work with, but it should have cost about the same and not failed so miserably in those conditions. I live on a 50 year old sailboat (on salt water) and the stainless shrouds, chainplates, and pulpits are all still in pristine condition, no noticeable corrosion.

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