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What exactly do I do? (being wardecced)

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Natocha Daisy
Stellar Masons
Evictus.
#41 - 2017-06-11 12:35:05 UTC
Ragnar Danskjold wrote:
Natocha Daisy wrote:
Well this conversation has been unhelpful.

Guess I'll just move along to the next game.

These responses provided plenty of good info, you just don't like the answer. This game is 99% PvP, even ratters, mission runners, and miners are all actually competing with each other because most of market goods are produced and consumed by players. This is why no matter where you go in the game there is potential for other people to disrupt your activities. This is what the code is truly about, and exactly what the devs intended. If that isn't to your liking then you probably ought to find another game. EVE was here before you, and will be here after you.


Who asked you to comment on my thread?
Mark Remillard
The Mental Man Project
#42 - 2017-06-12 18:15:54 UTC
Natocha Daisy wrote:
Mark Remillard wrote:
Natocha Daisy wrote:


Like all other posts you have failed to help me with my problem.

Thank you.


Fixing your problem would require changing something about what you are doing (and you would still not being able to completely avoid PVP).

Eve Univeristy's War DEC FAQ:
https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/War_declarations

"Costs of wardecs
Wardec costs at least 50 million isk for a corporation to declare war on another corporation or alliance. The war declaration fee must be in the Master Wallet of the corp wallet.
The formula for calculating wardec cost is (log2.05831 N)^2 * 300000 * N^0.27, where N is the number of members in the target corp/alliance. The cost is now the same when declaring on a corporation or an alliance. (1) The cost increase is in effect with numbers between 51 and 2000, where, for the latter, it reaches an upper limit of 500 million ISK. (2)"


Here is what is causing you to be targeted:

1) Ships Used: Mining Ships (easy prey unable to defend themselves)
2) Corp Name: Mariposa Mining Association (Identifys your corp as miners)
3) Income Stream: Mining (Lowest possible in Highsec)
4) Fleet/Corp location: High-sec (high traffic and visibility)
5) Corporation Size: Small Player owned (see eve uni quote above)

Reducing the problem (you will never eliminate it) requires changing at least one of the above.
1) *Bring some corp members in combat ships into your mining fleets (see below), always keep your ships cheap.
2) Remove mining from your corp name
3) Move out of High Sec to find more profitable ores (bring your alpha clone piloted ventures into wormholes or null sec)
4) Choose "dead" areas of high sec, the War Deccer's cannot find you (GTFO from anywhere near Jita)
5) If you want to keep a player corp, get a massive recruitment spreee going (or maybee just get everyone into EVE university?)


*High sec mining is poor income. If you are doing because you like the social activity and the ease of entry, have some fcorp members hang out with you in destroyers and frigates. When the enemy shows up, your miners will flee while your combat escorts try to cover them. With low number and cheap ships, your defenders will not win the fight but they will be a distraction and get the excitement of a "last stand" moment to talk about. Take this entire group to somewhere other than high sec and the escorts can make decent income from killing NPC'S.


I'll restate something I have already said:

Probably unintended - but you really haven't helped the issue. The problem is that ccp allow others to 'pressure' corporations at their own will by allowing war declarations week after week.
\

So to clarify. you aren't here asking for advice on how you can respond to War decs as a player. You are wanting the Devs to change (nerf) game mechanics?
Sasha Nemtsov
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2017-06-12 22:07:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Sasha Nemtsov
Natocha Daisy wrote:
(a tear-sodden whine)


Hello Natocha!

I read through all the comments in your thread, and your responses to those comments. Some (good) advice you spurn with scant good humour and other offerings attract lavish (though curt) praise. But get this, I couldn't work out for the life of me what engendered those responses of yours.

It seemed that folks who were direct, dead-pan, got the pursed lips reply and those who stroked you a little came out on top. I think.

You end your rant with 'Why?', and that is actually the key to my understanding your dilemma. You are, in fact, not looking for a solution; you are seeking an explanation.

Here it is:

There was once a girl who loved cheese. She dreamed of nothing else all the day long. But she lived in a world full of chalk; chalk for as far as the eye could see. Chalk houses, chalk roads, chalk trees.... She was so fed up with chalk. If only there were cheese!

Tachona (for such she was named) had dreamed up 'cheese' all by herself, and would not rest until she found the stuff of her dreams!

One particularly chalky day, Tachona went to see Prof. Kalsiyum Karbonnate, the village elder. 'Why', she whined at him, 'is everything chalk, when I so dearly want it to be cheese?!'

Prof. Karbonnate, stroked his white beard and thought for a moment. Then he shook his head slightly and smiled benignly at Tachona.

'You are in error', he said. 'Know that putrefaction gave rise to this beautiful world of ours, and that lactation is required for that of which you dream so earnestly.'

'WTF does that mean?', snorted Tachona. She was losing patience. Again.

Prof. Karbonnate sighed and closed his eyes.

'Find a cow', he said, evenly. 'If you can dream up one object which doesn't exist, surely you can as readily invent another!'





Edit: Punctuation
Belvin Disepret
Pancakelazer
#44 - 2017-06-13 18:18:44 UTC
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:
Natocha Daisy wrote:
(a tear-sodden whine)


Hello Natocha!

I read through all the comments in your thread, and your responses to those comments. Some (good) advice you spurn with scant good humour and other offerings attract lavish (though curt) praise. But get this, I couldn't work out for the life of me what engendered those responses of yours.

It seemed that folks who were direct, dead-pan, got the pursed lips reply and those who stroked you a little came out on top. I think.

You end your rant with 'Why?', and that is actually the key to my understanding your dilemma. You are, in fact, not looking for a solution; you are seeking an explanation.

Here it is:

There was once a girl who loved cheese. She dreamed of nothing else all the day long. But she lived in a world full of chalk; chalk for as far as the eye could see. Chalk houses, chalk roads, chalk trees.... She was so fed up with chalk. If only there were cheese!

Tachona (for such she was named) had dreamed up 'cheese' all by herself, and would not rest until she found the stuff of her dreams!

One particularly chalky day, Tachona went to see Prof. Kalsiyum Karbonnate, the village elder. 'Why', she whined at him, 'is everything chalk, when I so dearly want it to be cheese?!'

Prof. Karbonnate, stroked his white beard and thought for a moment. Then he shook his head slightly and smiled benignly at Tachona.

'You are in error', he said. 'Know that putrefaction gave rise to this beautiful world of ours, and that lactation is required for that of which you dream so earnestly.'

'WTF does that mean?', snorted Tachona. She was losing patience. Again.

Prof. Karbonnate sighed and closed his eyes.

'Find a cow', he said, evenly. 'If you can dream up one object which doesn't exist, surely you can as readily invent another!'



Clever.
badside
Dauphin Enterprises Inc.
#45 - 2017-06-14 01:05:40 UTC
Please pass the cheese or the cow.
Sequester Risalo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#46 - 2017-06-16 10:42:13 UTC
Jones Beach wrote:
(That book is 24 years old - nobody is going to get any of these references....)


The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is the first of five books in the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy comedy science fiction "trilogy" by Douglas Adams (with the sixth written by Eoin Colfer). The novel is an adaptation of the first four parts of Adams' radio series of the same name. The novel was first published in London on 12 October 1979.

The Lord of the Rings is a tad older but still known by young and old readers. Once a book reaches"classic" status the Publishing date doesn't matter much.
Natocha Daisy
Stellar Masons
Evictus.
#47 - 2017-06-18 10:09:21 UTC
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:
Natocha Daisy wrote:
(a tear-sodden whine)


Hello Natocha!

I read through all the comments in your thread, and your responses to those comments. Some (good) advice you spurn with scant good humour and other offerings attract lavish (though curt) praise. But get this, I couldn't work out for the life of me what engendered those responses of yours.

It seemed that folks who were direct, dead-pan, got the pursed lips reply and those who stroked you a little came out on top. I think.

You end your rant with 'Why?', and that is actually the key to my understanding your dilemma. You are, in fact, not looking for a solution; you are seeking an explanation.

Here it is:

There was once a girl who loved cheese. She dreamed of nothing else all the day long. But she lived in a world full of chalk; chalk for as far as the eye could see. Chalk houses, chalk roads, chalk trees.... She was so fed up with chalk. If only there were cheese!

Tachona (for such she was named) had dreamed up 'cheese' all by herself, and would not rest until she found the stuff of her dreams!

One particularly chalky day, Tachona went to see Prof. Kalsiyum Karbonnate, the village elder. 'Why', she whined at him, 'is everything chalk, when I so dearly want it to be cheese?!'

Prof. Karbonnate, stroked his white beard and thought for a moment. Then he shook his head slightly and smiled benignly at Tachona.

'You are in error', he said. 'Know that putrefaction gave rise to this beautiful world of ours, and that lactation is required for that of which you dream so earnestly.'

'WTF does that mean?', snorted Tachona. She was losing patience. Again.

Prof. Karbonnate sighed and closed his eyes.

'Find a cow', he said, evenly. 'If you can dream up one object which doesn't exist, surely you can as readily invent another!'





Edit: Punctuation




I am looking for a solution. I am not seeking an explanation, as you claim. Maybe you should think less and consider more.
Natocha Daisy
Stellar Masons
Evictus.
#48 - 2017-06-18 10:10:10 UTC
Mark Remillard wrote:
Natocha Daisy wrote:
Mark Remillard wrote:
Natocha Daisy wrote:


Like all other posts you have failed to help me with my problem.

Thank you.


Fixing your problem would require changing something about what you are doing (and you would still not being able to completely avoid PVP).

Eve Univeristy's War DEC FAQ:
https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/War_declarations

"Costs of wardecs
Wardec costs at least 50 million isk for a corporation to declare war on another corporation or alliance. The war declaration fee must be in the Master Wallet of the corp wallet.
The formula for calculating wardec cost is (log2.05831 N)^2 * 300000 * N^0.27, where N is the number of members in the target corp/alliance. The cost is now the same when declaring on a corporation or an alliance. (1) The cost increase is in effect with numbers between 51 and 2000, where, for the latter, it reaches an upper limit of 500 million ISK. (2)"


Here is what is causing you to be targeted:

1) Ships Used: Mining Ships (easy prey unable to defend themselves)
2) Corp Name: Mariposa Mining Association (Identifys your corp as miners)
3) Income Stream: Mining (Lowest possible in Highsec)
4) Fleet/Corp location: High-sec (high traffic and visibility)
5) Corporation Size: Small Player owned (see eve uni quote above)

Reducing the problem (you will never eliminate it) requires changing at least one of the above.
1) *Bring some corp members in combat ships into your mining fleets (see below), always keep your ships cheap.
2) Remove mining from your corp name
3) Move out of High Sec to find more profitable ores (bring your alpha clone piloted ventures into wormholes or null sec)
4) Choose "dead" areas of high sec, the War Deccer's cannot find you (GTFO from anywhere near Jita)
5) If you want to keep a player corp, get a massive recruitment spreee going (or maybee just get everyone into EVE university?)


*High sec mining is poor income. If you are doing because you like the social activity and the ease of entry, have some fcorp members hang out with you in destroyers and frigates. When the enemy shows up, your miners will flee while your combat escorts try to cover them. With low number and cheap ships, your defenders will not win the fight but they will be a distraction and get the excitement of a "last stand" moment to talk about. Take this entire group to somewhere other than high sec and the escorts can make decent income from killing NPC'S.


I'll restate something I have already said:

Probably unintended - but you really haven't helped the issue. The problem is that ccp allow others to 'pressure' corporations at their own will by allowing war declarations week after week.
\

So to clarify. you aren't here asking for advice on how you can respond to War decs as a player. You are wanting the Devs to change (nerf) game mechanics?


CORRECT.
Drammie Askold
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2017-06-19 11:58:26 UTC
Well, I guess it sucks to be you then. I doubt that CCP will remove the war-dec mechanic because of your complaint.

The war-dec mechanics do need an overhaul however and I don't envy the developers their task.

As the blessed St. Reptilicus said "Some days you can't get a drink on the cuff anyplace."

Francis Raven
ExDominion
Evictus.
#50 - 2017-06-19 12:15:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Francis Raven
Wardecs on highsecurity-based indy corps are common. You have two main options for your corporation.

Option 1
Move to a nullsec alliance, or if you are neutral to Provibloc, move to Providence nullsec. This will not only protect you from highsec wardecs, but will also give you access to better ores. As alpha's, I strongly recommend you do this and make friends down there that can help you mine and protect you. I used to be a highsec adventurer like you, then i took an arrow to the knee. Since joining nullsec, I can never move back. The community is better, the isk opportunities are better, and highsec griefer wardecs don't affect you. Click Here to find out if you are KOS.

Option 2
Make an alt, set your alt as CEO of corp, then everyone drops corp. Note that doing this will not allow you to join back into the corp until the war is over. Alternatively, move out of your current highsec hub and try another system.

The wardec system, as stated above, definitely requires an overhaul. However *puts on tinfoil hat* I think CCP wants to keep it this way to push players out of small HS corps and into nullsec/lowsec.

ExDominion | Nullsec Corporation | Website | Forums | Established Nov. 2015 |

Sasha Nemtsov
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2017-06-20 13:57:06 UTC
Natocha Daisy wrote:

I am looking for a solution. I am not seeking an explanation, as you claim. Maybe you should think less and consider more.


Hello, Miss Contrary!

Solutions you've had a-plenty in this thread of yours. If none of them suit, why, seek your own!

"Why do enemy players have so much power of destruction in high sec?
Why why why?" (Natocha Daisy)

The interrogative word 'why' is normally used to elicit a 'because' statement, hence 'explanation' in my post.

Others in your thread have suggested wholly reasonable solutions - if solutions were indeed your goal.

At this point, I'm not altogether certain that cogency and coherence are your strong points, Natocha. Perhaps you'll prove me wrong?!

Be Well!

Toxic Yaken
G0P-ST0P
P I R A T
#52 - 2017-06-20 14:24:41 UTC
Francis Raven wrote:
The wardec system, as stated above, definitely requires an overhaul. However *puts on tinfoil hat* I think CCP wants to keep it this way to push players out of small HS corps and into nullsec/lowsec.


I've wardecced some Highsec corporations for Nullsec recruiters before, all part of the plan Pirate

Curator of the Wardec Project - Join our Discord to join the discussions about Wardecs

Francis Raven
ExDominion
Evictus.
#53 - 2017-06-20 16:14:25 UTC
Toxic Yaken wrote:
Francis Raven wrote:
The wardec system, as stated above, definitely requires an overhaul. However *puts on tinfoil hat* I think CCP wants to keep it this way to push players out of small HS corps and into nullsec/lowsec.


I've wardecced some Highsec corporations for Nullsec recruiters before, all part of the plan Pirate


Contact saved Evil

ExDominion | Nullsec Corporation | Website | Forums | Established Nov. 2015 |

Toxic Yaken
G0P-ST0P
P I R A T
#54 - 2017-06-20 16:21:29 UTC
Francis Raven wrote:
Toxic Yaken wrote:
Francis Raven wrote:
The wardec system, as stated above, definitely requires an overhaul. However *puts on tinfoil hat* I think CCP wants to keep it this way to push players out of small HS corps and into nullsec/lowsec.


I've wardecced some Highsec corporations for Nullsec recruiters before, all part of the plan Pirate


Contact saved Evil


It's been a while, but I assume most mercenaries/wardeccers would do it.

Curator of the Wardec Project - Join our Discord to join the discussions about Wardecs

Natocha Daisy
Stellar Masons
Evictus.
#55 - 2017-06-20 18:50:25 UTC
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:
Natocha Daisy wrote:

I am looking for a solution. I am not seeking an explanation, as you claim. Maybe you should think less and consider more.


Hello, Miss Contrary!

Solutions you've had a-plenty in this thread of yours. If none of them suit, why, seek your own!

"Why do enemy players have so much power of destruction in high sec?
Why why why?" (Natocha Daisy)

The interrogative word 'why' is normally used to elicit a 'because' statement, hence 'explanation' in my post.

Others in your thread have suggested wholly reasonable solutions - if solutions were indeed your goal.

At this point, I'm not altogether certain that cogency and coherence are your strong points, Natocha. Perhaps you'll prove me wrong?!

Be Well!



Perhaps cogency and coherence are lacking when it's my turn to read your posts on my topic. You annoy me. GO AWAY.
Natocha Daisy
Stellar Masons
Evictus.
#56 - 2017-06-20 18:51:13 UTC
Toxic Yaken wrote:
Francis Raven wrote:
Toxic Yaken wrote:
Francis Raven wrote:
The wardec system, as stated above, definitely requires an overhaul. However *puts on tinfoil hat* I think CCP wants to keep it this way to push players out of small HS corps and into nullsec/lowsec.


I've wardecced some Highsec corporations for Nullsec recruiters before, all part of the plan Pirate


Contact saved Evil


It's been a while, but I assume most mercenaries/wardeccers would do it.



BOTH please take your irrelevant convos off my forum thread.

THANK YOU.
Toxic Yaken
G0P-ST0P
P I R A T
#57 - 2017-06-20 19:31:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Toxic Yaken
Sorry, I will try to stay on topic..

Natocha Daisy wrote:
Mark Remillard wrote:
Natocha Daisy wrote:
Mark Remillard wrote:
Natocha Daisy wrote:


Like all other posts you have failed to help me with my problem.

Thank you.


Fixing your problem would require changing something about what you are doing (and you would still not being able to completely avoid PVP).

Eve Univeristy's War DEC FAQ:
https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/War_declarations

"Costs of wardecs
Wardec costs at least 50 million isk for a corporation to declare war on another corporation or alliance. The war declaration fee must be in the Master Wallet of the corp wallet.
The formula for calculating wardec cost is (log2.05831 N)^2 * 300000 * N^0.27, where N is the number of members in the target corp/alliance. The cost is now the same when declaring on a corporation or an alliance. (1) The cost increase is in effect with numbers between 51 and 2000, where, for the latter, it reaches an upper limit of 500 million ISK. (2)"


Here is what is causing you to be targeted:

1) Ships Used: Mining Ships (easy prey unable to defend themselves)
2) Corp Name: Mariposa Mining Association (Identifys your corp as miners)
3) Income Stream: Mining (Lowest possible in Highsec)
4) Fleet/Corp location: High-sec (high traffic and visibility)
5) Corporation Size: Small Player owned (see eve uni quote above)

Reducing the problem (you will never eliminate it) requires changing at least one of the above.
1) *Bring some corp members in combat ships into your mining fleets (see below), always keep your ships cheap.
2) Remove mining from your corp name
3) Move out of High Sec to find more profitable ores (bring your alpha clone piloted ventures into wormholes or null sec)
4) Choose "dead" areas of high sec, the War Deccer's cannot find you (GTFO from anywhere near Jita)
5) If you want to keep a player corp, get a massive recruitment spreee going (or maybee just get everyone into EVE university?)


*High sec mining is poor income. If you are doing because you like the social activity and the ease of entry, have some fcorp members hang out with you in destroyers and frigates. When the enemy shows up, your miners will flee while your combat escorts try to cover them. With low number and cheap ships, your defenders will not win the fight but they will be a distraction and get the excitement of a "last stand" moment to talk about. Take this entire group to somewhere other than high sec and the escorts can make decent income from killing NPC'S.


I'll restate something I have already said:

Probably unintended - but you really haven't helped the issue. The problem is that ccp allow others to 'pressure' corporations at their own will by allowing war declarations week after week.
\

So to clarify. you aren't here asking for advice on how you can respond to War decs as a player. You are wanting the Devs to change (nerf) game mechanics?


CORRECT.


So the purpose of this thread is to get other players to rally with you and pressure the devs to change wars... So what specifically do you think CCP should do to make it so wardeccers can't do back to back wars? (Considering they would never limit wars to one week based on current Citadel mechanics.)

Curator of the Wardec Project - Join our Discord to join the discussions about Wardecs

Drammie Askold
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2017-06-21 09:55:02 UTC
Natocha Daisy wrote:
. . . my forum thread.


It's not your thread, it's CCP's thread, and they allow users to post on any thread provided they abide by the forum rules. As OP you can ask for this thread to be locked, but that wouldn't suit your purpose, would it?

Welcome to EVE, where anything not expressly forbidden is permitted Twisted

As the blessed St. Reptilicus said "Some days you can't get a drink on the cuff anyplace."

Sasha Nemtsov
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2017-06-21 15:42:34 UTC
Natocha Daisy wrote:
(...and verbally stamped her little foot in a perfect storm of impotent spite)


Hi Natocha, judging by some of the posts here in your thread (snigger), I'm not the only contributor having difficulty teasing out from your buckshot style of commentary what precisely it is you wish to convey.

Toxic Yaken, a man whose experience, interests, and opinions, are valuable additions to any understanding of EVE - and particularly of Highsec mechanics, has asked you to clarify your position, for the benefit of his understanding. I think we'd all benefit.

Whether you like me or not, is unimportant Natocha. You've started a thread, thereby tacitly inviting responses. You don't control the content of those responses any more than you control what happens to game mechanics in Highsec. Clearly, these dual disappointments cause you some frustration.

Try to relax a little; you know, calm down.

Join me for tea and buttered scones on the verandah. My wife, Phyllis, is looking forward to meeting a fellow turophile. Cheese scones for both of you! My son, whom I had asked to attend, says he's off to 'roll a fatty', whatever that means in Newspeak.


Natocha Daisy
Stellar Masons
Evictus.
#60 - 2017-06-22 20:33:23 UTC
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:
Natocha Daisy wrote:
(...and verbally stamped her little foot in a perfect storm of impotent spite)


Hi Natocha, judging by some of the posts here in your thread (snigger), I'm not the only contributor having difficulty teasing out from your buckshot style of commentary what precisely it is you wish to convey.

Toxic Yaken, a man whose experience, interests, and opinions, are valuable additions to any understanding of EVE - and particularly of Highsec mechanics, has asked you to clarify your position, for the benefit of his understanding. I think we'd all benefit.

Whether you like me or not, is unimportant Natocha. You've started a thread, thereby tacitly inviting responses. You don't control the content of those responses any more than you control what happens to game mechanics in Highsec. Clearly, these dual disappointments cause you some frustration.

Try to relax a little; you know, calm down.

Join me for tea and buttered scones on the verandah. My wife, Phyllis, is looking forward to meeting a fellow turophile. Cheese scones for both of you! My son, whom I had asked to attend, says he's off to 'roll a fatty', whatever that means in Newspeak.





LISTEN *****!

I say what I want. I have no interest in Toxic Yakky or whatever his name is! GO AWAY.

Whatever I wish in this thread goes.