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[June] Fighter Damage Reduction

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#1461 - 2017-06-11 08:30:09 UTC
Nina Nobuna wrote:
How about reducing bounties instead... did someone suggest that already? Lol



Yeah because reducing the ISK income of players who are not the problem is always a good idea.

How about you FOADIAF.

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#1462 - 2017-06-11 08:31:16 UTC
idontknowy wrote:
Bruce Destro wrote:
VeronicaKell wrote:
Buff NPCs then. I have been training fighters for the last 4 months. Why the hell are you ruining a PVP ship to make your bottom line better? Do your jobs as creative game innovators and not EA Game flunkies... oh wait.



carriers will still have the largest ratting income. 20% reduction in dps can be considered roughly 20% reduction in bounties. 150m an hour to 125? that is still far greater than you can get in a fully skilled faction battleship.



Or I could run 2 vni's, make about the same and only less than 300 mil ISK on grid....


Then why were you risking a much more expensive ship? Oh wait you were stupid.

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Assaj Ventress
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1463 - 2017-06-11 08:32:57 UTC
Limit all PVE sites/anomalies to subcaps (including L5 missions)
Molun Darnus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1464 - 2017-06-11 08:35:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Molun Darnus
ALL of this comes down to 1 mistake from CCP, skill injectors, there wouldn't be half the super/titan/rorq pilots in eve if it wasn't for them.....and now we the players take the fall for it..

YOU broke eve, and now you are trying to fix it in the only way you know how...the nerf bat!

GJ o/
Mama Ja
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1465 - 2017-06-11 08:59:21 UTC
ССP one love <3 this update is very nice!!! GJ CCPBig smile
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1466 - 2017-06-11 09:03:37 UTC
Joe Barbarian wrote:
Sgt Warlock wrote:
The only Isk faucet here is Goons! Not the regular joe's who enjoy the game.

If you look at the data, the people that mine and rat trillions are goons!
The CSM contains a lot of goons people too, so hell yes they are going to say do it to everyone.

If CCP lowers the drops and the amount of mining significantly in the area where they are it will be ok for the rest of EVE.

Do not blaim CCP, blaim Goons Pirate, they are mass mining and ratting the **** out of eve.


On that note: I trained into a rorqual after a promise at Evesterdam there would be no nerf, and one week later, nerf bat...
I train into a carrier since I have limited time... and you get it. So I will stick to plan a: back in my trusty rattler and keep on smiling


Here are some numbers for you.
Delve: 260 million made in bounty per capita
Deklein: 460 million made in bounty per capia

Take your Grr Goons crap to reddit please.

yeah but uh

Quote:
Delve has almost 4 times the population density of either of these two.

-https://imperium.news/monthly-economic-report-goons-win/


let's not downplay things too hard, I mean that's kind of impressive.

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President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1467 - 2017-06-11 09:06:13 UTC
It's almost like goons are just trying to prepare for the next war against everyone

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Werner Erata
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1468 - 2017-06-11 09:29:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Werner Erata
Great changes!
BAHKO21pyc
D.A.M.N.E.D.S.
#1469 - 2017-06-11 09:33:21 UTC
Dear CCP, i want to express gratitude for this changes! All last changes were boosting cap/supercap ratting segment. You have forgotten abou porr solo/small scale pvp players long time ago. We can't ge figth without cap blob in grid at all. All small scale pvp is dying, and its pissing us off. And all that pain and suffering of carebears is the most amazing thing that you did in these latter days. I'll be very grateful to you if you do more nerf for caps/supers (especially in damage aplication against subcaps). There is can't be balance with that overboosted cap fleet. Caps must fight with other caps.
Joe Barbarian
Back Street Boys With Capital Toys
#1470 - 2017-06-11 09:33:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Joe Barbarian
BAHKO21pyc wrote:
Dear CCP, i want to express gratitude for this changes! All last changes were boosting cap/supercap ratting segment. You have forgotten abou porr solo/small scale pvp players long time ago. We can't ge figth without cap blob in grid at all. All small scale pvp is dying, and its pissing us off. And all that pain and suffering of carebears is the most amazing thing that you did in these latter days. I'll be very grateful to you if you do more nerf for caps/supers (especially in damage aplication against subcaps). There is can't be balance with that overboosted cap fleet. Caps must fight with other caps.


You've got to be kidding right, you have your kiting small gang overpowered garmurs and **** like that. Don't cry about "you're forgetting small gang pvp" crap here. :getout:

You going to make the same case for HAW guns or DD's designed specifically to kill sub capitals as well?
Ms Caroline
Amazing Super Slackers
#1471 - 2017-06-11 09:44:57 UTC
BAHKO21pyc wrote:
Dear CCP, i want to express gratitude for this changes! All last changes were boosting cap/supercap ratting segment. You have forgotten abou porr solo/small scale pvp players long time ago. We can't ge figth without cap blob in grid at all. All small scale pvp is dying, and its pissing us off. And all that pain and suffering of carebears is the most amazing thing that you did in these latter days. I'll be very grateful to you if you do more nerf for caps/supers (especially in damage aplication against subcaps). There is can't be balance with that overboosted cap fleet. Caps must fight with other caps.


What a joke. I bet my unsub you haven't had a carrier before.
AlexKent
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#1472 - 2017-06-11 09:56:12 UTC
Sgt Warlock wrote:
The only Isk faucet here is Goons! Not the regular joe's who enjoy the game.

If you look at the data, the people that mine and rat trillions are goons!
The CSM contains a lot of goons people too, so hell yes they are going to say do it to everyone.

If CCP lowers the drops and the amount of mining significantly in the area where they are it will be ok for the rest of EVE.

Do not blaim CCP, blaim Goons Pirate, they are mass mining and ratting the **** out of eve.


On that note: I trained into a rorqual after a promise at Evesterdam there would be no nerf, and one week later, nerf bat...
I train into a carrier since I have limited time... and you get it. So I will stick to plan a: back in my trusty rattler and keep on smiling



Ha, FCON of everyone else accusing Goons of extreme carebearing. Guess setting out and doing your own thing didn't work out the way you expected it.

Hope CCP actually listens to you and nerfs Delve alone so we finally get a good enough reason to hunt your sorry excuse of an alliance to the end of the galaxy.
Analius Glover
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1473 - 2017-06-11 10:02:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Analius Glover
BAHKO21pyc wrote:
Dear CCP, i want to express gratitude for this changes! All last changes were boosting cap/supercap ratting segment. You have forgotten abou porr solo/small scale pvp players long time ago. We can't ge figth without cap blob in grid at all. All small scale pvp is dying, and its pissing us off. And all that pain and suffering of carebears is the most amazing thing that you did in these latter days. I'll be very grateful to you if you do more nerf for caps/supers (especially in damage aplication against subcaps). There is can't be balance with that overboosted cap fleet. Caps must fight with other caps.



Situation form about a month ago - 20 t3 cruisers fleet with 5 - 6 scimis on one side against 10 carriers and 2 supers. Capital fleet couldn't break a single scimi. And CCP talking about rebalancing.....yeah. Nerfing carriers and supers is the most ******** CCP decision since i started to play EVE
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1474 - 2017-06-11 10:07:02 UTC
Ms Caroline wrote:
BAHKO21pyc wrote:
Dear CCP, i want to express gratitude for this changes! All last changes were boosting cap/supercap ratting segment. You have forgotten abou porr solo/small scale pvp players long time ago. We can't ge figth without cap blob in grid at all. All small scale pvp is dying, and its pissing us off. And all that pain and suffering of carebears is the most amazing thing that you did in these latter days. I'll be very grateful to you if you do more nerf for caps/supers (especially in damage aplication against subcaps). There is can't be balance with that overboosted cap fleet. Caps must fight with other caps.


What a joke. I bet my unsub you haven't had a carrier before.

which answer is the one where you unsub?

Help, I can't download EVE

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Mama Ja
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1475 - 2017-06-11 10:11:57 UTC
Analius Glover wrote:
BAHKO21pyc wrote:
Dear CCP, i want to express gratitude for this changes! All last changes were boosting cap/supercap ratting segment. You have forgotten abou porr solo/small scale pvp players long time ago. We can't ge figth without cap blob in grid at all. All small scale pvp is dying, and its pissing us off. And all that pain and suffering of carebears is the most amazing thing that you did in these latter days. I'll be very grateful to you if you do more nerf for caps/supers (especially in damage aplication against subcaps). There is can't be balance with that overboosted cap fleet. Caps must fight with other caps.



Situation form about a month ago - 20 t3 cruisers fleet with 5 - 6 scimis on one side against 10 carriers and 2 supers. Capital fleet couldn't break a single scimi. And CCP talking about rebalancing.....yeah. Nerfing carriers and supers is the most ******** CCP decision since i started to play EVE


you just noobs,who cant use webs.so cry more about nerfs...
Mariza vonAmdonen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1476 - 2017-06-11 10:29:54 UTC
blaedin jordan wrote:
They're going to lose a lot of money next month once scripts run out,


I dont think its gonna be significant. Most crying here that they ll unsub, are just words. Those that will really unsub, wont matter as most of them PLEX their accounts with the billions of ISK from super/carrier ratting. A drop in PLEX price is the only thing that might happen.
mrammo
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1477 - 2017-06-11 10:31:53 UTC
CCP Larrikin wrote:

We also think that Carriers and Supercarriers are a bit too effective in PvP now. This change will significantly change the PvP balance, but we’re confident that Carriers and Supercarriers will remain powerful options for PvP.

Even after two days I’m still shocked by the brazenness of that statement. I suggest you have a look at the killboards of some large alliances. You will find out that supers are hardly being used. If at all they are being used for bragging but certainly not because it is the best choice for any specific task. If they were indeed powerful options for pvp, don’t you think people would actually use them in pvp?

It’s your job to give everyone the chance to fly the ships they like. There are plenty of worthwhile options for players who want to fly cheap ships. There is no worthwhile option for players who want to fly expensive ships.
Gimme Sake
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1478 - 2017-06-11 10:37:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Gimme Sake
Rain6637 wrote:
It's almost like goons are just trying to prepare for the next war against everyone



Last war was "casino" financed or it would not have happened. That alone should have raised many question/exclamation marks.

Problem is nobody is willing to risk their stash and finance any war. Everyone is hoarding. Isk raking and chat talking is the way to play EvE, while players interested in pvp are slowly pushed into an ambiguous niche where ganking haulers, freighters and anything else than can't shoot back occupies the first place. Aside from the AT tournement (also financed) posting on reddit is the only major competitive activity in Eve.

Not sure if CCP pays attention to what happened on their China server, where one player and his alliance controls absolutely everything in game, plex has reached astronomic prices and player base has diminished considerably. Bear

"Never not blob!" ~ Plato
Analius Glover
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1479 - 2017-06-11 10:42:10 UTC
Mama Ja wrote:
Analius Glover wrote:
BAHKO21pyc wrote:
Dear CCP, i want to express gratitude for this changes! All last changes were boosting cap/supercap ratting segment. You have forgotten abou porr solo/small scale pvp players long time ago. We can't ge figth without cap blob in grid at all. All small scale pvp is dying, and its pissing us off. And all that pain and suffering of carebears is the most amazing thing that you did in these latter days. I'll be very grateful to you if you do more nerf for caps/supers (especially in damage aplication against subcaps). There is can't be balance with that overboosted cap fleet. Caps must fight with other caps.



Situation form about a month ago - 20 t3 cruisers fleet with 5 - 6 scimis on one side against 10 carriers and 2 supers. Capital fleet couldn't break a single scimi. And CCP talking about rebalancing.....yeah. Nerfing carriers and supers is the most ******** CCP decision since i started to play EVE


you just noobs,who cant use webs.so cry more about nerfs...


good point - considering that the light fighters with mwd can go 12km /s and still have same apllication as they go 2km /s the speed diffrence of webbed target should be irrelevant
RangerAgrius
Almost Tech II
#1480 - 2017-06-11 10:50:18 UTC
Please just come out and admit. EVERY FUCKIN PATCH CYCLE will be determined by what goons do next. I feel like there is a theme here. Im sick of this ****. Sick and tired of CCP factoring in one group of people to determine what the entirety of the patch is going to affect without looking at the rest of the playerbase.

Watch the use of carriers go down in everywhere but hmmmmmmm delve? Watch the use of rorquals crash as you have absolutely obliterated the risk reward for smaller groups that may not be able to defend there space as much or nearly to the same level as well as say....goons?

It is absolutely disgusting that all of your patch cycles factor in one group of people and what about the rest of us? Get ****** and sell your rorq and carrier?

Rorq = not cost effective anymore for smaller groups

Carrier = no longer pvp viable

Eve community that isnt goonswarm? Get ******.