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edited to be a tad more polite
I rarely post here anymore. But I'll share my tears

when your balance action has a number like THIRTY PERCENT associated with it,.. i gotta wonder you're not balancing but unintelligently overreacting to a problem you don't seem to understand (or care to as is probably the case).

Yeah so, my tears:

I don't even have a carrier, though I had just trained Minnie carrier V (yes, I was going to join a 0.0 crew this summer and try to get into caps more, pvp and pve)
Do I get those skillpoints back? HAHAHA no,

I don't like that just when they make plex more granular (to nickle and dime), they turn around and nerf incomes.

I wish i could charge back the money i spent on this last sale. Lesson learned. I always told myself you start down that road nothing good can come of it (evony got like $70 out of me back in the day too).

I can see exactly how much CCP values what I put into them I suppose with Quant's latest statement. haha got me, good one. In a lot of ways other than insane income (i wished tho) i might be one of the 1% players ccp thinks need to shut up. I guess.

try to come up with intelligent solutions to your problems. this seems like a reactionary easy-out. if the problems are what you say, i can't see how this is actually *fixing* anything. you say we're bleeding out so you're going to put a piece of tape over it?

IF THIS is an INCOME issue, why the hell are you not just nerfing bounties?

you claim this is people in carriers and moms with a dozen accounts and blah blah blah, well I agree maybe yeah that IS A PROBLEM
maybe you should rethink some of this eternal number of accounts online stuff? (we obviously can't do that because as we all know the more accounts the healthier the game is right?)

and really, about the skills stuff. if it's all becoming so high value and liquid, when you yank a LONG TRAIN level V's usability out from under people, shouldn't they get a chance to repurpose those skills? I mean... once you're well into penalty land for injecting anything. haha gotcha train something else seemed more reasonable before it would be NOTHING for you to give that back to someone after a major balance move.

Yeah Quant, i'm a 1%er. I just can't believe how i'd feel if i were a little guy that finally worked his way into a carrier to be laughed off. (are they 5%'s or. 7%s..... where is the 'we care' cutoff btw?) well, i got to edit my comment i'll be nice and give you the same consideration...

this isn't 13km/s crows here. carriers are a huge investment. (or should be and are to normal players)
I'm disappointed you aren't able to be more nuanced here and more certain in how you're going about fixing what sounds like a very serious greater economic problem.

I agree carriers and supers earn far to much isk when ratting

But I don't rat in them anymore, I only personally care about the pvp application.

If less people rat in them, or less people fly them, then there are less for pvp'ers to hunt. If these carriers all switch to battleships or ishtars instead, they suddenly aren't very appealing to hunt as they aren't worth as much. Content dries off, people get bored and unsub.

These changes are fine for big alliances, they just field 30% more ships to make up for the reduction. It's the little people that it hurts, the small groups brawling in low sec, the ones who don't care abut ratting bounties

Person made this changes have some problems with head. Now Carrier will be weaker than Battleship. What is wrong with you guys, are you ready to close this game, is that your goal?

As you love to make spreadheet about in game economy etc. i'd like to see a spreadheet with how many players canceled their subscription today lol....

ACTIV PLAYERS vs AFK PLAYERS

AFK PLAYERS WIN by KO

(please ccp go fried ur new trainee in ur office thx)

What ever you do, do not make eve fun!

This.

I don't plex my accounts and I pay CCP hundreds of dollars a year for the privilege of playing their game. I've bought plex so that I could fast track my ability to get involved in the exciting end-game elements of EVE like caps and supers. I don't think it's unreasonable to get the isk generation one does from a supercarrier when you think about the 26+ billion dollar ship you need to do it and the 30 mil+ SP toon you need committed to that ship. What's worse is that the active forms of ratting like carrier/super carrier ratting are getting a nerf while people who are Netflix ratting in their VNIs/Isktars are business as usual. You're punishing the people who are actively playing the game and putting huge content magnets/assets on the field. I don't see this as a good long-term strategy. What's more, it now takes more time doing the brutally unfun activities like carrier ratting to fund the stuff that actually makes this game enjoyable; the PvP ships we need to buy and blow up. With this nerf, the ratio of time spent pursuing unfun activities in this game to fun activities in this game gets skewered even harder towards PvE.

At this point, it just stinks of a cash grab to get customers to drop even more money on this game in the form of microtransactions on top of a subscription model. At some point I have to put my foot down and tell you guys to take a hike. Therefore, I've cancelled auto-renew on all my accounts and plan to let them lapse, because a balance sheet is going to make a much bigger statement than this forum post ever will.

-4 accounts

So...let me get this straight.

1. CCP makes it easier for players to get into carriers and supercarriers by reducing certain SP requirements;
2. CCP removes the ability for carriers to field drones and replaces their sole combat ability to fighters, thus actually giving the carriers a true nitch in Eve;
3. CCP permits players to purchase SP instead of having to actually take the time to earn the SPs (read: pay to win mentality)
4. CCP nerfs fighters, making them easier to kill, thus attacking the very nitch carriers have
5. Realizing that they haven't been able to successfully curb ISK-making, they now once again nerf fighters thus nerfing carriers altogether.

If the goal is to transform carriers into expensive paperweights, then that's exactly what is occurring. Carriers are being turned into pointless ships. Ignore the now-relative ease in which you can get into one, if the assault on carriers by CCP continues, there will literally be zero point in actually utilizing one.

I get the argument about "ISK printing", but considering how relatively slow they are, and how easy it is for a 1-2 interdictors to lock one down with a bubble until a carrier-blap fleet arrives, the benefit/loss ratio is now in the true negative. I don't mind losing ships... hell, if you can't afford to lose it, don't fly it, but why make it so that it's pointless to field in the first place?

They literally said in the OP they though carriers/supers were over performing in PvP and the change would alleviate some of this. Too bad people didn't read all the way to the end of the post.

Now rorqs will do more dps than ratting carriers.

Rorqs in havens new meta.