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Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#421 - 2017-05-31 15:52:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Che Biko
Trust and Secrets. They form somewhat of a paradoxical juxtaposition. We tend to only tell secrets to whom we trust, yet it can be hard to trust someone who keeps secrets.
Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
#422 - 2017-05-31 16:20:49 UTC
Che Biko wrote:
Trust and Secrets. They form somewhat of a paradoxical juxtaposition. We tend to only tell secrets to whom we trust, yet it can be hard to trust someone who keeps secrets.

Well, if they keep secrets, at the very least you know they can be trusted with such.

Queen of Chocolate

Jev North
Doomheim
#423 - 2017-05-31 16:40:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jev North
People who tell you secrets will tell yours to others as well, but people who keep juicy secrets from you are just plain mean; and there's one reason why I'm a misanthrope at heart, I guess.

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.

Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
#424 - 2017-05-31 16:51:34 UTC
Jev North wrote:
People who tell you secrets will tell yours to others as well, but people who keep juicy secrets from you are just plain mean; and there's one reason why I'm a misanthrope at heart, I guess.

You don't like sharing secrets?

Queen of Chocolate

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#425 - 2017-06-01 13:45:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Arrendis wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
I am glad I am not Sani Sabik then.

LONG LIVE THE STATE! FOR HONOR AND GLORY! CHARGE!


You're about a 'lemme drink they're blood' away from it. And if 'they' are Gallente, I'm not even sure you haven't done that.


Although her views are a little, uh, "fringe," Ms. Kim's not actually unique or even very unusual in that.

At a glance, it can actually be a little hard to find daylight between the Caldari outlook and the Sani Sabik, unless you look at it from the right angle. Both groups seem to see the world as a kind of howling wilderness where only the strong survive, and so end up a little obsessive about strength.

There is a bright line, though: the Caldari, in the end, are about individual strength as a necessary ingredient in community strength-- and part of individual strength is knowing when you're becoming a burden on the community and it's time to take that long walk in the snow.

The Sani Sabik seem to be more about personal power, and typically aspire to live forever even at the expense of ... well, everybody. It used to be that just meant eternal spiritual life, but, now, with cloning, I guess that's changing a little in places.

The only thing the Caldari are aiming to make immortal is the Caldari. Individuals are expendable, as long as the whole moves on.

"The Winds care for us, not for you or me."
Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
#426 - 2017-06-01 14:15:41 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
I am glad I am not Sani Sabik then.

LONG LIVE THE STATE! FOR HONOR AND GLORY! CHARGE!


You're about a 'lemme drink they're blood' away from it. And if 'they' are Gallente, I'm not even sure you haven't done that.


Although her views are a little, uh, "fringe," Ms. Kim's not actually unique or even very unusual in that.

At a glance, it can actually be a little hard to find daylight between the Caldari outlook and the Sani Sabik, unless you look at it from the right angle. Both groups seem to see the world as a kind of howling wilderness where only the strong survive, and so end up a little obsessive about strength.

There is a bright line, though: the Caldari, in the end, are about individual strength as a necessary ingredient in community strength-- and part of individual strength is knowing when you're becoming a burden on the community and it's time to take that long walk in the snow.

The Sani Sabik seem to be more about personal power, and typically aspire to live forever even at the expense of ... well, everybody. It used to be that just meant eternal spiritual life, but, now, with cloning, I guess that's changing a little in places.

The only thing the Caldari are aiming to make immortal is the Caldari. Individuals are expendable, as long as the whole moves on.

"The Winds care for us, not for you or me."


A noble attitude in a community struggling to survive in adverse conditions, I'm sure.

Queen of Chocolate

Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#427 - 2017-06-01 14:20:54 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:

Although her views are a little, uh, "fringe," Ms. Kim's not actually unique or even very unusual in that.


Except, Aria, that she's clearly redefined 'The State' in her own personal headspace, to mean 'Me'. Anyone who disagrees with her is called a traitor. The statements of the CEP itself are denied and ignored in favor of Kim's personally-preferred version of reality.

She wraps it all in a manic declaration of loyalty to the State, but in the end, it's all about her aggrandizement, about her glory.

So very blooder.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#428 - 2017-06-01 14:32:11 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:

Although her views are a little, uh, "fringe," Ms. Kim's not actually unique or even very unusual in that.


Except, Aria, that she's clearly redefined 'The State' in her own personal headspace, to mean 'Me'. Anyone who disagrees with her is called a traitor. The statements of the CEP itself are denied and ignored in favor of Kim's personally-preferred version of reality.

She wraps it all in a manic declaration of loyalty to the State, but in the end, it's all about her aggrandizement, about her glory.

So very blooder.


So-- here's the question, though: if that's what she's doing, can she tell?

The Sani Sabik, by and large, definitely can.
kul Shaishi
Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu
#429 - 2017-06-01 14:47:04 UTC
Probably not and anyway l personally define her as a warlord also known as a junfa 軍閥
Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#430 - 2017-06-01 18:09:18 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:

So-- here's the question, though: if that's what she's doing, can she tell?

The Sani Sabik, by and large, definitely can.


Counter-question: If she can, would she ever admit it?
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#431 - 2017-06-01 18:15:38 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
So-- here's the question, though: if that's what she's doing, can she tell?

The Sani Sabik, by and large, definitely can.


Counter-question: If she can, would she ever admit it?


Get her drunk and ask?

(That's not actually a joke. She's the opposite of an angry drunk, so, it might be a good way to have a better conversation with her.)
Ria Nieyli
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#432 - 2017-06-01 18:41:28 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:

Although her views are a little, uh, "fringe," Ms. Kim's not actually unique or even very unusual in that.


Except, Aria, that she's clearly redefined 'The State' in her own personal headspace, to mean 'Me'. Anyone who disagrees with her is called a traitor. The statements of the CEP itself are denied and ignored in favor of Kim's personally-preferred version of reality.

She wraps it all in a manic declaration of loyalty to the State, but in the end, it's all about her aggrandizement, about her glory.

So very blooder.


So-- here's the question, though: if that's what she's doing, can she tell?

The Sani Sabik, by and large, definitely can.


Oh, she knows what she's doing. I had the unfortunate first hand experience and was too naive to see what's going on initially.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#433 - 2017-06-01 20:45:32 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Oh, she knows what she's doing. I had the unfortunate first hand experience and was too naive to see what's going on initially.


I see....

That's a little strange. I'd expect a calculated course of action to move a little differently.
Ria Nieyli
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#434 - 2017-06-01 20:51:03 UTC
Well, that's because she presents in a different manner yo her internal workings. You don't see everything that's going on, and for a reason. It really messes with your head and I was starting to become the same way.
kul Shaishi
Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu
#435 - 2017-06-01 21:03:37 UTC
Ria What are Kim's internal workings anyway. Can you explain them to us
Ria Nieyli
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#436 - 2017-06-01 21:15:45 UTC
Yes, I can. Not sure I want to, though.
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
Jayai Syndicate
#437 - 2017-06-02 01:10:12 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:

Although her views are a little, uh, "fringe," Ms. Kim's not actually unique or even very unusual in that.


Except, Aria, that she's clearly redefined 'The State' in her own personal headspace, to mean 'Me'. Anyone who disagrees with her is called a traitor. The statements of the CEP itself are denied and ignored in favor of Kim's personally-preferred version of reality.

She wraps it all in a manic declaration of loyalty to the State, but in the end, it's all about her aggrandizement, about her glory.

So very blooder.

Characterizing Sani Sabik only by self-aggrandizing ambitions is as accurate as saying if something has a pedicel it's an apple.
Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#438 - 2017-06-02 09:16:27 UTC
Ashlar Vellum wrote:

Characterizing Sani Sabik only by self-aggrandizing ambitions is as accurate as saying if something has a pedicel it's an apple.


Fortunately, I didn't do that. Saying 'self-aggrandizing behavior is reminiscent of the Blood Raiders' is not 'All Sani Sabik only ever act like that' or even 'self-aggrandizment is all there is to the Sani Sabik'.

It's more like if I were to take your statement as not really bothering with my meaning, and only responding with that you wanted to see in it, and say 'how very Amarr'.

You know, if I did that.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#439 - 2017-06-02 12:56:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Graelyn wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
You mean did an active copy of me hack her own backup copy in long-term storage and leave that copy a sinister note about it to pass on to herself?

... No.

Or at least, it's not very likely.



Funny, it sounds a lot like one of my Red Protocols.


Well ... you're not the first to say such a thing, my lord. Only, first, whoever it was left a "note" that doesn't make a lot of sense if it's really aimed at me. I think they expected it to reach my predecessor, some way or other.

Maybe it has.

The other thing is, I don't ... really believe that amnesia lifts all sins from a person's soul. It's why I stay away from Achura, my homeworld: I'm a murderer there, of pretty much the worst sort, a kinslayer. And, I can almost guarantee the Cartel wouldn't just forgive me just because I can't remember who I was, either. They have no reason to let me escape retaliation just by resetting my head.

Since I haven't been tortured to death yet, I'm guessing they're the ones responsible for this, or, at least, I serve a role more useful to them than "object lesson." Since I don't feel like I owe them anything at all, I probably serve that role just by existing.

Most likely, I'm bait.
Graelyn
Tzedakah
Aegis Militia
#440 - 2017-06-02 13:11:08 UTC
((try other thread Pirate ))

Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113