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Dev Blog: The Next Steps in Structure Transition

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CCP Logibro
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1 - 2017-05-04 14:57:06 UTC
Do you own a Starbase or an Outpost? Want to know what's happening to some of your existing gear? Or do you just want to blow up some stations? This dev blog by Team Five 0 has some of the details you'll need to know.

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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#2 - 2017-05-04 15:09:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Elizabeth Norn
Why do you seem hesitant to refund deprecated BPOs, while making them effectively non-functional?
lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#3 - 2017-05-04 15:12:03 UTC  |  Edited by: lanyaie
Outpost type - quantity
Minmatar Service Outpost 442
Amarr Factory Outpost 399
Gallente Administrative Outpost 189
Caldari Research Outpost 116
Station (Conquerable 1) 23
Station (Conquerable 2) 23
Station (Conquerable 3) 22

Amount of outposts per region

Providence 79
Vale of the Silent 58
Branch 58
Deklein 56
Catch 55
Delve 50
Oasa 47
Malpais 45
Perrigen Falls 45
Fountain 45
Feythabolis 43
Etherium Reach 43
Insmother 40
Cobalt Edge 39
Outer Passage 38
Esoteria 37
Tribute 36
Querious 33
Wicked Creek 30
Pure Blind 29
Geminate 29
The Spire 26
Immensea 26
Tenerifis 26
Period Basis 22
Detorid 22
Omist 22
The Kalevala Expanse 21
Tenal 21
Fade 19
Scalding Pass 17
Impass 16
Cloud Ring 16
Paragon Soul 10
Cache 10
UUA-F4 5

Owned outposts descending order


Shadow of xXDEATHXx 81
SOLAR FLEET 58
Goonswarm Federation 53
Test Alliance Please Ignore 47
Triumvirate. 47
Brothers of Tangra 42
Pandemic Legion 35
Curatores Veritatis Alliance 33
Fidelas Constans 33
Infinity Space. 31
Northern Coalition. 31
DARKNESS. 29
Solyaris Chtonium 26
Wings Wanderers 26
Kids With Guns Alliance 23
The-Culture 22
Mordus Angels 21
Legion of xXDEATHXx 21
Blades of Grass 20
Circle-Of-Two 20
inPanic 20
Pandemic Horde 20
Hell's Pirates 19
Band of Backstabbers 17
The Methodical Alliance 16
DRONE WALKERS 14
Red Alliance 13
Stella Nova 12
Requiem Eternal 11
GaNg BaNg TeAm 10
Combat Wombat. 2
Rebel Alliance of New Eden 2
Siberian Squads 2
Estamos Solos Alliance. 2
Off The Reservation. 1
Axiom Vocation Alliance 1
We want your ISK 1
FUBAR. 1
Hedonistic Imperative 1
Liquor Legion 1
Tribes of Poitot 1
CAStabouts 1
Safeties Set To Red 1
S.E.C.T.I.O.N. 8 1
Dirt Nap Squad. 1
Nemesis Enterprises. 1
MIDAS 22 1
Infatuated 1
Imperium Divine. 1
Brothers Of The Dark Sun 1
Brothers in Arms Alliance 1
A Band Apart. 1
Coalition of the Unfortunate 1
Bright Side of Death 1
Multi-Shekel Media Conglomerate LLC 1
The Pestilent Legion 1
senseless intentions 1
System Wide Adaptive Roam Massacres 1
Lord of Worlds Alliance 1
Invictum. 1

Spaceprincess

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MainDrain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2017-05-04 15:28:39 UTC
Can we get an indication of the size of the rescaled citadels/outposts.

In my head I see them as being larger than fortizars, but smaller than keepstars
Therem Harth
Dissident Aggressors
Mordus Angels
#5 - 2017-05-04 15:36:11 UTC
What would happen with outpost "eggs" that will happen to be manufactured but not deployed by the date of "upgrade"?
Fish Hunter
Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing
Renaissance Federation
#6 - 2017-05-04 16:46:34 UTC
You're wasting your time with the rigs relative to outpost upgrades while leaving them worse than Engineering Complexes. Engineering Complexes are already better just more specialized. The main draw to keep using ouptosts for industry right now is it is safe, remove that and except for the very few fully upgraded amarr outposts everyone's going to move to Engineering complexes.
Hashi Lebwohl
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#7 - 2017-05-04 17:04:13 UTC
What will happen to clones in outposts? Currently those clones are perfectly safe but with this change they could be destroyed either through the destruction of the replacement citadel or its unanchoring.
Maenth
The Thirteen Provinces
#8 - 2017-05-04 19:25:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Maenth
"Today we will be providing some more detail about the Starbase and outpost transition plans that we announced last week at Fanfest here in Reykjavik." - a month later... xD

BUT SERIOUSLY, stopping the sale of BPOs now is fine but preventing the manufacture of new modulesless than a week after releasing the dev blog is really short notice for people who didn't see that fanfest presentation, which is probably many people! Cruel even, for the ones who may have just recently (or will soon) finished researching the blueprint.

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AFK Hauler
State War Academy
#9 - 2017-05-04 20:52:17 UTC
The conversion rate has increased for the removal of POS structures. I'm fine with the timeline, but don;t want to see the loss of bonuses until AFTER the refineries are well established and can be transitioned smoothly.

If I put a BPO in for research, and it takes over 1000 days to complete (yes there are some that will take that long), will you complete those automatically in a couple years when its time to end your POS buyback program?



Max Singularity
House Singularity
Sixth Empire
#10 - 2017-05-04 21:15:35 UTC
I bless this mess! A long time coming and RIP legacy starbase code that has always been a bane to developers.

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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2017-05-04 21:56:16 UTC
Just curious: Whilst 0.0 ouposts are being removed are there any plans for changes of any sort to NPC-held outposts in pirate sovereignty 0.0 (or low/highsec, for that matter)?

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.

Penance Toralen
Compass Fox
The One Tech Alliance
#12 - 2017-05-04 22:12:45 UTC
So the current small tower I have, which just does refining and small manufacture will be superseded by the local the NPC.

Still waiting to hear when the promise will be kept to small corporations/industrialists.
Manning Zeitbringer
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2017-05-04 22:27:29 UTC
It's not that rare usage of towers when you deploy into some WH system for short time (hours to days). Expedition style.
As far as I understand, new structures need a week to unanchor.
So, are you planning to support expedition style somehow, new smaller structures?..
Ebony Texas
The Knights Armada
Sev3rance
#14 - 2017-05-04 23:08:58 UTC
how much are we getting back for our researched outpost BPO's??. this has been asked several times and it seems like you guys are just cloaking up and dodging the question.
mkint
#15 - 2017-05-05 02:00:57 UTC
Penance Toralen wrote:
So the current small tower I have, which just does refining and small manufacture will be superseded by the local the NPC.

Still waiting to hear when the promise will be kept to small corporations/industrialists.


Didn't you get the memo?

"Screw you" -CCP (paraphrased)

Or the other memo?

"Small corporations don't matter. Be someone else's NPC or get out." -CCP (paraphrased)

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Res Five
Crown Solutions
TOGETHER WE STAND
#16 - 2017-05-05 10:06:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Res Five
mkint wrote:
Penance Toralen wrote:
So the current small tower I have, which just does refining and small manufacture will be superseded by the local the NPC.
Still waiting to hear when the promise will be kept to small corporations/industrialists.

Didn't you get the memo?
"Screw you" -CCP (paraphrased)
Or the other memo?
"Small corporations don't matter. Be someone else's NPC or get out." -CCP (paraphrased)


We've got this ever since they announced the plans to replace the towers ( automatic defenses, perfect force multipler, useful for small corps or people with RL ) with the structures ( manual defenses, horrible force multiplier - a small subcap fleet is enough to bring a fortizar to its knees - needing supporting fleet and therefor either big corps or people with a lot of free time on their hands ).
Sylvia Kildare
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2017-05-05 12:21:55 UTC
Therem Harth wrote:
What would happen with outpost "eggs" that will happen to be manufactured but not deployed by the date of "upgrade"?


I believe as of last November/December (sometime a few weeks after EVE Ascension in mid-November) they shut off the deployment of new eggs. So no new Outposts have been planted in 2017, in short.

Hashi Lebwohl wrote:
What will happen to clones in outposts? Currently those clones are perfectly safe but with this change they could be destroyed either through the destruction of the replacement citadel or its unanchoring.


Citadel doesn't even have to be destroyed or taken down. Owner can just stop fueling the clone bay, shut it off, unplug the service module, whatever. Had two of my PVP clones destroyed when an Ashab citadel owner just dumped every clone in the fortizar at once. thankfully, they were cheap (and my experiment taught me to put my PVP clones back at Amarr trade hub... putting them in a citadel didn't remove the 20 hour timer, anyway).
Sylvia Kildare
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2017-05-05 12:28:29 UTC
Penance Toralen wrote:
So the current small tower I have, which just does refining and small manufacture will be superseded by the local the NPC.

Still waiting to hear when the promise will be kept to small corporations/industrialists.


You'd need both one of the new medium refineries later this year and a Raitaru to replace your POS's refining and manufacturing capability at a good efficiency, yes.

Or else use the structures of others. Or else use NPC stations and get less efficiency/higher cost/more time spent, etc.

Manning Zeitbringer wrote:
It's not that rare usage of towers when you deploy into some WH system for short time (hours to days). Expedition style.
As far as I understand, new structures need a week to unanchor.
So, are you planning to support expedition style somehow, new smaller structures?..


I've heard WHers talk of exactly that problem. People entrenched in WHs will be even harder to kick out in this new future, their citadels will be up and if you want to build caps nearby, you won't be able to just pop up a POS and start nice and quiet, your citadel will take 24 hours to anchor and will be visible to all in blue on the system scanner, just like red signatures and green anomalies.

Something in between a mobile depot and an astrahus is needed. Something you put up fairly quickly (maybe not 10 secs like a MTU or 1 minute like a MD, but not 24 hours like a citadel, either!), can tether / dock / both at, and do more than just refit and store one jetcan worth of stuff... CCPls.
CCP Habakuk
C C P
C C P Alliance
#19 - 2017-05-05 13:00:34 UTC
Oh, it seems like the details for the reimbursement for not deployed outpost platforms and outpost blueprints are missing. Oops
Therem Harth wrote:
What would happen with outpost "eggs" that will happen to be manufactured but not deployed by the date of "upgrade"?


Ebony Texas wrote:
how much are we getting back for our researched outpost BPO's??. this has been asked several times and it seems like you guys are just cloaking up and dodging the question.


From the patch notes for next weeks release, which will be posted soon:

Quote:

Existing copies of Outpost Construction Platforms, Outpost Construction Platform Blueprints, Station Improvement Platforms and Station Upgrade Platforms have been reimbursed in the following fashion:
* Station Improvement Platforms and Station Upgrade Platforms have been removed and their owners have been credited with isk equal to their full NPC sale value
* Minmatar and Gallente Outpost Platform Blueprints have been converted into Astrahus blueprints
* Amarr and Caldari Outpost Platform Blueprints have been converted into Raitaru blueprints
* Outpost Platforms have been converted into both 1 Fortizar and 1 Azbel


Extra items will be sent to either the home station for characters or the delivery hangar in the HQ station for corporations.

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Ebony Texas
The Knights Armada
Sev3rance
#20 - 2017-05-05 13:50:37 UTC
CCP Habakuk wrote:
Oh, it seems like the details for the reimbursement for not deployed outpost platforms and outpost blueprints are missing. Oops
Therem Harth wrote:
What would happen with outpost "eggs" that will happen to be manufactured but not deployed by the date of "upgrade"?


Ebony Texas wrote:
how much are we getting back for our researched outpost BPO's??. this has been asked several times and it seems like you guys are just cloaking up and dodging the question.


From the patch notes for next weeks release, which will be posted soon:

Quote:

Existing copies of Outpost Construction Platforms, Outpost Construction Platform Blueprints, Station Improvement Platforms and Station Upgrade Platforms have been reimbursed in the following fashion:
* Station Improvement Platforms and Station Upgrade Platforms have been removed and their owners have been credited with isk equal to their full NPC sale value
* Minmatar and Gallente Outpost Platform Blueprints have been converted into Astrahus blueprints
* Amarr and Caldari Outpost Platform Blueprints have been converted into Raitaru blueprints
* Outpost Platforms have been converted into both 1 Fortizar and 1 Azbel


Extra items will be sent to either the home station for characters or the delivery hangar in the HQ station for corporations.


Thank you very much.
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