EVE General Discussion

Maybe they should drink a lil more, ...

So what? I have never owned a super cap, never been in one, and frankly don't want too. They can become like a coffin, and every time you log in there is a ginormous target on you. Just about everyone would love to bag you super cap for their killboard.

And I have been in LS and NS quite a bit and can count on my fingers the number of times super capitals have dropped on us. It does happen, but this notion that it is rampant is nonsense. And that they are dropped specifically on new players is just laughable. This is like worrying about being struck by lightning.

And new players looking to get into supers? Really? Why not learn to fly other ships first before setting your sights on something like that.

"Make friends" / "trust no one"

This game is not P2W because everyone can grind a few hours to buy characters, PLEXes, and fund accounts

I'm failing to see why would these two approaches to be mutually exclusive - even when you only face just one player.

I think you -vastly- overestimate new players. Or even people who play for a few years suboptimally (from an ISK grinding perspective). Or you just have a -very- different concept of what a 'few' hours is than most people I met.

Not that I'd call EvE P2W. Mainly for people here set their own goals. And unless someone's only goal is to fly a super, he won't 'win' even if he starts by buying a super pilot with a blingy ship. My guess is that he'd lose a lot more while learning basic stuff than who uses a Rifter for that.

Ahh, I forgot that my High-Grade Irony Detection implant set was left in another head of mine.

You can make 100m/h grinding incursions in peasant-fit hyperion that takes all of 3 weeks to skill into from clear toon. You can make the required 300m capital for the BS by doing exploration for about 10h or so, then you can plex your account with 10 hours of playtime.

But... but I literally did what I said you can do - started as explorer, skilled into BS, bought a cheap nightmare (pew pew ftw) and made a plex in 10 hours or so (could have been 11, not totally certain).

300 mil by exploration in 10 hours? wh only which needs better skills to successfully hack all caches which needs quite a lot of time skilling again and thats only assuming you will not be ambushed and you will have luck finding player-less wh with lot of relic sites which happens rarely... in lowsec I was able to make 150mil in around that time and that was empty region with lot of sites, certainly doable to grind enough money for incursion BS by exploration but it is not as easy and fast as you make it to be

and all of this assume you will sub first, as you cant fly anything useable in incursions on alpha (and also making relic/data in whs is really pointless on alpha with 3points in the hacking/archeology only) for which I am not sure was meant it by OP

So... you seriously (without getting isk from another account)... got isk for skillbooks... then got 350 million for a nightmare plus whatever you needed for whatever fit you use... then got in an incursion group and earned a further 1.2 billion isk... in 11 hours of game time?

Look... I can create an account and plex it pretty easily as well... just by sending enough isk for 3 skill injectors and skillbooks/setup costs for PI. But I can do that immediately because I have another account with enough isk to jump start it. I could probably do it through station trading as well given a big enough stake from my main.

But if I just started a new account with no isk transfer from my existing accounts.... where you leave the NPE with a million isk or less (can't remember) and after you complete the career agents (which takes a while) you only have about 10 million isk and an assortment of ships... that would take some time. If I paid for a month I could PROBABLY get there if I played 4 hours a day... but to suggest that a new player could get there with just a "few hours of grinding" is simply misleading. I think for most players it takes between 6 months and a year before they figure stuff out enough to start bringing in large enough quantities of isk to easily plex each month without a horrid grind.

No, you misunderstood or perhaps I wasn't clear enough. I farmed the ~1b (price from last year) for plex in 10h upon joining the incursion community. It took me about a month to find my feet in-game and gather enough isk via exploration to get myself a decently fit nightmare, but I didn't sign up for incursions until much later (which I regret, solo wormhole ratting with low sp pays ****). You can do it in significantly shorter time though. The minimal train for an entry-level incursion ship is about 2-3 weeks from bare alpha start. It's more than enough time to earn 400m grinding relic sites in wormholes.