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Don't you have a ceterius paribus assumption there? All other things equal, dividend split = stock split.

A) You misread.

I was saying that concurrent to stock splits, company boards very often vote for a greater dividend payout per unit.

B) The spike apparently came concurrent to CSM being informed of the changes launch day.

D) CSM are EVE players. I dont trust them anymore than I do you.
Golden Rule applies.

Actually if you'd care to take a look at the rest of the MER you'll note that while ISK generated from ratting is up over that same period the actual money supply was relatively flat especially compared to historical trends. So while it's not intuitive from those graphs sinks and faucets are actually more in balance now than they've ever been, at least in the last five years or so.

This is probably at least in part due to the tax and Broker fee changes introduced with Citadel that have been taking a larger percentage of each transaction out of the economy.

A) Wärtsilä

Plex pays no dividends not did I claim it did.
The point of stock splits and decisions on dividends was pertinent to insider information IRL, as raised by you in the post to which I was responding. You started talking about IRL rather than PLEX, not I. I simply responded to that.

B) The spike coincided with the time that CSMs apparently where told the change would be implemented.
The market did not know about it at the time.

Furthermore, the notion that anyone can know with certainty how a market will react to any event, is a myth.
Predictions? Yes. Certainty? No.

D) No "villianization". Just a call for investigation of whether CSM are leaking information.

You need to relax and take a bit of a step back.
You are flying way off the handle.

This isnt about CSMs having taken market action on PLEX as a result of what they knew.

Its about the possibility that information may have been leaked by CSM.

Do you see the difference?

The timing of the spike is suspect.
That it can be explained with alternatives, makes it no less suspect.

As in your previous post, you stated that insider information only works if you can with certainty predict how the market will react.

This spike happened BEFORE the announcement was made public, before the market knew/reacted, and apparently concurrently with this being revealed to CSM internally.

Furthermore, this notion that you and I would cancel each other out, contravenes your statement above.
If we both know, and only you and I know, what will happen before the market knows it (insider info), and know with certainty how the market will react, why would we choose differently?

As privy to that same insider info, and same certain prediction of how the market will react, in advance, we will ofc both opt for the same choice of action. We will not cancel each other. Furthermore, we would both act before the market does, or the market even has cause to act.

PS: Good research on Wärtsilä.
PPS: No, I did not have insider information to make money off it ;)
Just did my homework and due diligence.

Reload your page and read the rest of my post.

If you and I have the same insider info, and the same certain prediction of how the market will react, we will take the same action.

There is no "cancelling out".
We would make the same choice of action (excluding you perhaps being an idiot and making the wrong choice).

Furthermore, both of us will have acted well before the market reacts, or even has cause to react, to the impending change our insider info makes us privy to in advance of it happening.


Yes, the spikes timing and amplitude as apparently concurrent with CSMs being informed, is good enough for me to warrant investigation of whether information was leaked.

This all being based on the assumption that the current changes in PLEX are based entirely on this announcement, which is laughable.

The sharp spike corresponds almost perfectly to the patch notes being released, and the early creep up corresponds to the shift in Rorqual drone prices from word getting around about the Rorqual nerfs.

There has been zero evidence presented that anything leaked from the CSM, there's not even any particularly compelling evidence that the current PLEX market has been significantly affected by this announced change, considering it's over 6 months in the future from now.

Given this it's far more reasonable to assume that the PLEX market changed as a result of the patch, not as a result of some hypothetical and completely unsupported theory about leaked info.

Oh and there's a hole in your argument here. You're glossing over the bit where you have to know how the market will react by just assuming that can be predicted, but as several people have pointed out the short term impact of a change like this is going to be a drop in prices, making this spike a poor bet to be making. Also as I showed earlier the supply of PLEX was down and there was no spike in demand before the spike in price, indicating that people simply weren't selling as much PLEX.

So yeah, this whole argument is poor. Salvos I'd think even your normal trollish behavior was more intelligent than this crap.

No I get that, but the dividend is not solely a function of the number of shares. So the question is, are stock splits correlated with things that tend to increase dividends.

I suppose there is some correlation over an investment horizon of several years. Stocks split because their share prices have gone up substantially over time - typically due to good performance. Companies also frequently increase dividends due to good performance as well. But the causal factor for both is still rooted in good performance. And good performance is reflected in fundamentals long before it reveals itself in a split or yield.

Well, the results of the CSM 12 election is in and it appears not much is going to change. Large Null sec groups will still get their inside intelligence about CCP plans way before the general public and SOME,despite NDA contracts, will take advantage of it. High -sec appears to be once again orphaned in representation and with few in the new CSM who will champion their concerns. Heck, the organized groups even re-elected someone who had a 14% attendance record for CSM 11 meetings.

The CSM, in it's current election process incarnation, is a joke that doesn't benefit the majority of the players and, instead, is merely a method where Null and Lo -sec alliances get to epeen and gather/exploit intel for their own benefit. To those CSM members past and present who actually did make the meetings and worked for the benefit of all EVE players, you have my gratitude and thanks....I just wish there were more of you.