EVE General Discussion

The vast majority of corporations are tiny in comparison to the big ones. I'd also guess that the majority of players lie within these corps. You're basically telling the majority of the player base that they cannot create their own corps, whilst the mercenray corps only grow bigger and bigger as they feed on and destroy the smaller corps.

Nope, i'm not ok with this.

Highesc exists for a reason. If people want risk and PvP then thats what null, lo-sec and WH space is for. HS should not be safe, but it also should NOT be worse than being in lo-sec.

Running your own corp already comes with a lot of extra work and responsibility. It shouldn't come with the extra danger of fighting off perma wardecs on top of that.

Why are you playing EVE if you don't agree to its base premise? And why are you then, while not liking the game you play, trying to change into something you DO like while at the same time taking away from people who like the game for what it actually is?

Why should the game be changed and suffer because you chose to play a game you don't like?

I love this game. I love living in null, I love exploring in WHs and the dangers that come with it.

The part i'm trying to change is the part I found to be pointless and frustrating when i was a newbro. I also don't believe the game would suffer at all if wardeccing were removed or changed. I believe the only difference it would make is that the kids who camp at Jita undock will have to find some real PvP to satisfy themselves. (or at least turn to suicide ganking, which i'm also ok with).

Hmm, it seams you are unaware of the basic game mechanics around ganking. Don't worry, I will break it down for you:

The second you attack a ship illegally in Highsec you can be attacked by everyone on grid without punishment. You have around 20s, less for higher sec systems until CONCORD obliterates your ship from which there is no escape. You will not get any insurance money for the ship and it's wreck can be looted by everyone without going suspect. Meanwhile you get a security status hit which will make you if you get low enough a legal target for everyone while the NPC faction police is chasing you. After the attack you are unable to warp or redock in a ship you undock in the next 15min and CONCORD will destroy it after a few seconds.

Now players are obviously crafty and min/max their way around such restrictions. That does not mean it's "risk free", otherwise there would be no need to use gank alts or disposable cheap gank ships.

There are not a lot of people who still gank in highsec do to constant nerfs which makes it impractical and unprofitable. There are a few left which pick off the fat Freighters which are a obvious side effect of the raised safety. People expect to not get killed in Higshec, since that is usually true.


The god of lies and bitterness perhaps.

I understand that reading a book or chilling to Jonny hates jazz,(or maybe your a bit weird and listen to the Rick Astley's Christmas album) whilst mining is a great past time to end your busy day of annoying work, repetitive wife syndrome and that fricken mother in-law.

How ever there are some in EvE that to be honest just want to steam roll your day and smash your peace and tranquility to tiny pieces.

IT'S EvE!!!!

1 tank your ship and stop looking at the isk per hour
2 Tank your ship and blow them to tiny pieces and laugh at them warping out
3 Move to a less used system.
4 get a bunch of indy ships and go kill some pirates. (its actually quite funny)
5 QUIT!!


Excuse the caps lock I havent blown up anyone today and the shakes are kicking in

Wardecs really are nothing more than the lowest risk pvp in the game. That's why they don't want wardecs to go anywhere.

You guys are wedged into your closed mindset, literally any attempt to address the reasons eve doesn't have wide popularity is met with 'GTFO, eve is not for you'.

Either remove wardecs or remove highsec so a new player at least knows what to expect on arrival.

I'd personally be fine with structures being exempt from concord response, that pretty much removes the main need for wardecs in highsec.

I must have missed all the changes CCP brought to the game the last few years, exactly to cater the not so small subset you are referring to.

Wardecs have very mixed impact - those I've been involved with off the top of my head went something like:

-Other party declared war - nothing happened whatsoever.
-Corp I was in declared war to take down a POS, after RFing it the victims hired a merc corp, most people in my corp suddenly decided they were busy doing something else :( POS was saved.
-We declared war - targets all left corp
-Other party declared war - everyone in my corp went inactive until it was over
-Other party declared war - we got good fights particularly memorial one where we had a megathron fleet slugging it out with their rokhs - we got the upper hand and they eventually conceded.
-Other party declared war - **** happened they ended up with everything they owned razed to the ground
-Other party declared war - nothing really happened - few people chased each other around highsec without result and the odd miner died who hadn't been paying attention to what was going on in corp.

I've also had a character in a small highsec corp, with a few newer players, for awhile through 2014-2015 never got war decced once in that entire time.

Good post, I just had a discussion in alliance about war decs the bumping issue and the freighter wreck EHP, my alliance mate who is ex-PL left the conversation having got annoyed and that was when I talked about the impact of the wreck EHP buff on the emergent gameplay by AG gankers. I understood his prespective agreed with him, but I had a different prespective and was merely looking at it from the balance side of things saying that gankers had bumpers, DST loot scoops and as soon as we started ganking freighter wrecks bam. I was trying to say that why not allow the emergent gameplay of AG gankers to develop instead of killing it stone dead even though I agreed with the buff to wreck EHP. The issue is that people get very emotive over this, even some highly intelligent players which this player definitely is, he is standing for the CSM but he could not listen to me giving a hisec prespective. And this thread is yet another example, you good sir however posted honestly which I respect and I tried to do the same earlier. I have never asked for total safety like you and yet I am accused of it.

I am back in null with a great group, and I have to be blunt the changes that CCP have made to sov enabled a smaller group like this to be able to hold sov and not be a punch bag. CCP got that right even if entosis, jump fatigue and low jump range is rather uggggh.

The War dec system is in fact quite good, sadly the players are not up to it, from a mechanic perspective I am not sure what CCP can do with it because hisec players in the main don't bother and it means that all you see is pipe, hub and mission hub camping and most victims are null sec players doing logi, lol. In affect I would make it so only those who had a structure or sov could be war decked and that is it. Problem solved.

All in all I think we need little tweaks, but also a realisation that certain areas have issues hisec seems rather poorly to me and has been for a long time.