Intergalactic Summit

Maybe you should name names, because I might be missing something here, namely - who has been advocating for a war? I mean aside from the couple of usual suspects whom I thought nobody took seriously / everyone has on their ignore filters already, though even from them I didn't manage to pinpoint anything of the sort in a cursory glance.

The State are many things, stupid isn't one of them and this was stupid to a significant degree if we're to go by the official story. They wouldn't start shooting up unarmed freighters over Quafe returning some bloody empty drink canisters if there wasn't more to it than that.

Of course, exactly what 'more' there is to it is close to impossible to tell. As far as I know, we don't actually know that the cargo was just empty canisters, or if the crew didn't number potential intelligence operatives among them, or any other number of potential actual reasons for this display of violence.

For all the **** the State sometimes pull, I sort of doubt they'd fire on unarmed vessels without warning over something like this without attempts to turn them back, boarding and arresting the captains, or any other number of things you can do to enforce a closed border. Warp disruption, force compliance, warning shots (quite a few of them if necessary, those hulls can take a decent beating) and so on are all reasonable to expect and something no civilian captain carrying bloody bottles would try to force themselves past in an unarmed vessel.

So either these State forces destroyed multiple unarmed haulers full of harmless cargo and crew without using any of the tools available to them to enforce this border without such bloodshed, or the haulers were piloted by recent converts to the EoM or some crap like that.

Or...

There's more to this than what has been reported, unless the State's gone more insane than under Heth, and that's just not something I'm willing to assume. They're crazy, but Caldari crazy. This nonsense right here is a crazy none of our nations can claim just yet.

Thank you, Mizhara.

You defy Customs at your own peril. If you choose to , they catch you , they'll blow the dam hell out you , this ain't nothing new. This is Customs in New Eden , not just the State.

I been blown up by Caldari Customs couple times , i was in the wrong . Back when i was running combat boosters out of Jita 4/4 , they were then considered contraband. I was running fast frigate , still got picked up , warned , i thought i ain't handing over all these boosters , thought id be in warp before he could get his scram on. I didn't get second warning after ignoring his first, trying to warp away , all of sudden engines stopped blown to hell. Lost all my goods , got heavy fine , downgrading in my concord security status.

They've got job to do , they enforce it. My guess , they ignored Customs warnings and paid for it .

Seems black and white to me , everyone knew the border was closed. Convoy tried to cross the border and got blown up. I don't see any crimes or atrocites committed by the State here. I just see State forces doing the job they are paid to do.

Yes, its sad the vessels had to be destroyed , maybe some have lost their lives. Don't break the law , do as your told , you've nothing to fear, here in the Caldari State. Like being in any other nation in New Eden , its safe.

Good thinking, Mizhara. If a conspiracy theory sounds too weird, it's probably true.

Yeah, i can see that Yoshitaka . Maybe something will come out in the next few days , we aren't a democracy so there are no guarantees. No doubt the Senate will be complaining , along with the furor of some of the capsuleers , guess there is a good chance a statement will be made.

I have faith in our forces , and that they act appropriately. I feel that need for evidence for their actions is not required. Not for public consumption anyway. Those further up the chain of command will receive those answers , no doubt will the CEP .

When the reason for this apparent tragedy is declassified and made public the commanding officers in charge will either vindicate the State or choose to demonstrate Caldari honor and shoulder the full burden of their decision. In either case we can all rest assured that justice has been done or will be done. With the notable exception of the infamous coward Tibus Heth Caldari are not known to run from the consequences of our actions. I strongly feel if the reasons can be declassified the actions will vindicate the State.

The first thing that came to my mind, and it is clearly without any facts to support it and I openly admit and make that fact a preamble to my personal conspiracy theory is: Vessels loaded with plague were being shipped to Gallente space from Caldari space by non-State infiltrators in an effort to make it look like the State was actively involved in such despicable acts. Intelligence officers of the State discovered the plot and were forced to completely "sanitize" the Quafe haulers before the infiltrators could launch escape pods and threaten the crews that would have been sent to recover survivors. In a circumstance like this I would understand both the kill order and the lack of survivors. Many forces would love to see the State and the Federation in full on warfare for their own selfish reasons. Disrupting a terrorist plot would also explain why the State has been reluctant to give any meaningful details, perhaps all the planners and participants have not been swept up yet and the State has no need to show it's cards and allow them notice that a net is closing in on them.

I find it more reasonable to assume harsh measures were used because of a grave threat and not just because of callous bluster and sabre rattling. I am not claiming to be impartial or to have bullet proof facts to support what I am suggesting "could" have happened. It just makes more sense that something extremely bad was going to happen if Caldari forces did not initiate swift and harsh actions. If this is not the scenario type that transpired and it was a field command decision against otherwise harmless cargo ships the Caldari will not tolerate it and the State's justice will be visited on the responsible parties.

DRINK REVENGE !

IT TASTES LIKE STARSI !

Starsi taste, drink revenge.

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I do believe that blowing up convoys that are historically part of your rival political entity is one of the least reasonable maneuvers I can think of.

I don't want full scale war, but I will not tolerate attacks on a national corporation (which is highly symbolic, regardless of the reasons) nor will I back down in the face of those with loyalties to the State.

If you don't want war, don't throw the first punch.