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Quafe Convoy Destroyed By Caldari Forces On Caldari-Gallente Border

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Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#161 - 2017-03-29 14:12:20 UTC
Gwion Achasse wrote:
I don't want full scale war, but I will not tolerate attacks on a national corporation (which is highly symbolic, regardless of the reasons) nor will I back down in the face of those with loyalties to the State.


So you're hunting Caldari Navy personnel, then? If not, what exactly will you do to not tolerate this?
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#162 - 2017-03-29 15:50:07 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Gwion Achasse wrote:
I don't want full scale war, but I will not tolerate attacks on a national corporation (which is highly symbolic, regardless of the reasons) nor will I back down in the face of those with loyalties to the State.


So you're hunting Caldari Navy personnel, then? If not, what exactly will you do to not tolerate this?


I'm going to guess that making posts on the IGS is probably the full extent. DEFIANT posts. In my face.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

James Syagrius
Chatelain Auxiliary Response
Intaki-Business Logistics Union
#163 - 2017-03-29 18:25:21 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Gwion Achasse wrote:
I don't want full scale war, but I will not tolerate attacks on a national corporation (which is highly symbolic, regardless of the reasons) nor will I back down in the face of those with loyalties to the State.


So you're hunting Caldari Navy personnel, then? If not, what exactly will you do to not tolerate this?


I'm going to guess that making posts on the IGS is probably the full extent. DEFIANT posts. In my face.

So...

Unless one is willing to kill their opinions don't have value?

I think it important we clarify that.
Jev North
Doomheim
#164 - 2017-03-29 18:36:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Jev North
James Syagrius wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

I'm going to guess that making posts on the IGS is probably the full extent. DEFIANT posts. In my face.

So...

Unless one is willing to kill their opinions don't have value?

I think it important we clarify that.

I think Pieter meant to express that however much value an opinion has, it's going to stay an opinion, unless you're willing to do something other than blow hot air on the IGS.

Funny how your mind went straight to murder.

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.

Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#165 - 2017-03-29 18:48:15 UTC
Jev North wrote:
Funny how your mind went straight to murder.


As if it's not exactly where anyone's mind went. It's exactly what people mean every damn time they start rejecting someone's views on the basis of "not enough murderfucking done to be relevant" and you know it. Pretending otherwise is rather disingenuous.
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#166 - 2017-03-29 19:01:31 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Jev North wrote:
Funny how your mind went straight to murder.


As if it's not exactly where anyone's mind went. It's exactly what people mean every damn time they start rejecting someone's views on the basis of "not enough murderfucking done to be relevant" and you know it. Pretending otherwise is rather disingenuous.



Relevant to what ?

I mean, take for example, a conflict between, oh I don't know, Lirsautton nationalists and Gallente federalists. Within their sphere, they might be highly relevant.

But in the sphere of say, Amarr religious conflicts, then does it matter what their views might be ?

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#167 - 2017-03-29 19:07:19 UTC
Gwion Achasse wrote:

And this statement brought to you by...?

A tube child, in this case, who up until recently thought well of your nation, despite the history of antagonism we share.
Gwion Achasse wrote:

I do believe that blowing up convoys that are historically part of your rival political entity is one of the least reasonable maneuvers I can think of.

Everyone of sound mind agrees with you, so where's the issue?
Gwion Achasse wrote:

I don't want full scale war, but I will not tolerate attacks on a national corporation (which is highly symbolic, regardless of the reasons) nor will I back down in the face of those with loyalties to the State.

So you take issue with anyone who has loyalties to the State? Or merely those who haven't already expressed some variation of outrage at this event (all two of them)? If the former, why does your stance even matter beyond a display of nationalistic fervor, since it wouldn't be worth trying to sway your opinion anyways?
Gwion Achasse wrote:

If you don't want war, don't throw the first punch.

Are you so certain it's us? All but our most myopic detractors don't seem to be.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Jev North
Doomheim
#168 - 2017-03-29 19:20:59 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
As if it's not exactly where anyone's mind went. It's exactly what people mean every damn time they start rejecting someone's views on the basis of "not enough murderfucking done to be relevant" and you know it. Pretending otherwise is rather disingenuous.

Fair enough. I shan't feel guilty about living up to my designated role, then.

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.

Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#169 - 2017-03-29 20:19:58 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Jev North wrote:
Funny how your mind went straight to murder.


As if it's not exactly where anyone's mind went. It's exactly what people mean every damn time they start rejecting someone's views on the basis of "not enough murderfucking done to be relevant" and you know it. Pretending otherwise is rather disingenuous.

Hey, murderfucking is how I make my living. People calling for more of it keep me in business.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.

James Syagrius
Chatelain Auxiliary Response
Intaki-Business Logistics Union
#170 - 2017-03-29 20:51:26 UTC
Jev North wrote:
Funny how your mind went straight to murder.

Actually, I didn't, I said kill, not murder. A distinction without a difference perhaps, but a distinction none the less.

It seems of late that unless you are able to 'defend', 'display' or 'project power, then you and what you think are considered irrelevant. If we have devolved to might makes right, then fine. I just want us to be clear about it.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#171 - 2017-03-29 20:54:47 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Jev North wrote:
Funny how your mind went straight to murder.


As if it's not exactly where anyone's mind went. It's exactly what people mean every damn time they start rejecting someone's views on the basis of "not enough murderfucking done to be relevant" and you know it. Pretending otherwise is rather disingenuous.


Doesn't have to be murderfucking. That's not the only way to make opinion into policy, it's just one of the clearest and most direct ways.

I'm just saying, don't talk about the sandwich you're thinking of making me, make me a damn sandwich. I can appreciate a sandwich and I'll respect a sandwich you make me, no matter how 1/10 that sandwich is. Discussing a sandwich never fed anyone - no matter how many toppings you're promising.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#172 - 2017-03-29 20:59:50 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Jev North wrote:
Funny how your mind went straight to murder.


As if it's not exactly where anyone's mind went. It's exactly what people mean every damn time they start rejecting someone's views on the basis of "not enough murderfucking done to be relevant" and you know it. Pretending otherwise is rather disingenuous.

Hey, murderfucking is how I make my living. People calling for more of it keep me in business.

Thats funny, I thought it was "shooting those who deserve it..."
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#173 - 2017-03-29 21:05:16 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
Jev North wrote:
Funny how your mind went straight to murder.

Actually, I didn't, I said kill, not murder. A distinction without a difference perhaps, but a distinction none the less.

It seems of late that unless you are able to 'defend', 'display' or 'project power, then you and what you think are considered irrelevant. If we have devolved to might makes right, then fine. I just want us to be clear about it.


Nah, you know that I don't think that way. If you back a demand with 'or else' though, 'or else' better not mean shiptoasting on the IGS.

If 'won't tolerate' means a strongly worded letter of censure then it means nothing.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Aradina Varren
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#174 - 2017-03-29 22:45:06 UTC
Gwion Achasse wrote:

And this statement brought to you by...?


My statements were brought to you by empathy and compassion. And not being discriminatory. You directly called a lot of people "low points" for an entire society, comparing them to killing innocents. I'm not a tube child, but I won't tolerate that.

Gwion Achasse wrote:

I do believe that blowing up convoys that are historically part of your rival political entity is one of the least reasonable maneuvers I can think of.


Almost like there's more to this that we're simply not privy to, and that we should wait for more information.

Gwion Achasse wrote:

I don't want full scale war, but I will not tolerate attacks on a national corporation (which is highly symbolic, regardless of the reasons) nor will I back down in the face of those with loyalties to the State.


So you don't want war, but you also don't tolerate anyone with loyalties to the State? Were you aiming for a cull or a massacre perhaps? Not technically war.

Gwion Achasse wrote:

If you don't want war, don't throw the first punch.


Let's assume that there isn't anything else to this story, and that it was actually just enforcement of the borders, the Federation was spying on the State. Many would argue that espionage is that first punch. Do I agree? Not entirely. Would that justify the attack? No. But claiming that this was the first punch is utterly silly. The first punch was thrown a long, long time ago.

Feels Pretty Soft to Me.

James Syagrius
Chatelain Auxiliary Response
Intaki-Business Logistics Union
#175 - 2017-03-30 00:44:06 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Nah, you know that I don't think that way. If you back a demand with 'or else' though, 'or else' better not mean shiptoasting on the IGS.
I do indeed, is it just me, or did this used to be more fun?
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#176 - 2017-03-30 02:07:06 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Jev North wrote:
Funny how your mind went straight to murder.


As if it's not exactly where anyone's mind went. It's exactly what people mean every damn time they start rejecting someone's views on the basis of "not enough murderfucking done to be relevant" and you know it. Pretending otherwise is rather disingenuous.

Hey, murderfucking is how I make my living. People calling for more of it keep me in business.

Thats funny, I thought it was "shooting those who deserve it..."

We can murderfuck people who deserve it.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.

Elmund Egivand
Sebestacny Circle
#177 - 2017-03-30 02:10:46 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Nah, you know that I don't think that way. If you back a demand with 'or else' though, 'or else' better not mean shiptoasting on the IGS.
I do indeed, is it just me, or did this used to be more fun?


Just in case you didn't notice, Mr. Tuulinen has the evacuation of an entire arcology to organise.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#178 - 2017-03-30 02:35:11 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Nah, you know that I don't think that way. If you back a demand with 'or else' though, 'or else' better not mean shiptoasting on the IGS.
I do indeed, is it just me, or did this used to be more fun?


Just in case you didn't notice, Mr. Tuulinen has the evacuation of an entire arcology to organise.


And yet it doesn't seem like Mr. Tuulinen is the one who's changed.
Elmund Egivand
Sebestacny Circle
#179 - 2017-03-30 02:40:04 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Nah, you know that I don't think that way. If you back a demand with 'or else' though, 'or else' better not mean shiptoasting on the IGS.
I do indeed, is it just me, or did this used to be more fun?


Just in case you didn't notice, Mr. Tuulinen has the evacuation of an entire arcology to organise.


And yet it doesn't seem like Mr. Tuulinen is the one who's changed.


He seemed to have less patience today.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#180 - 2017-03-30 03:32:30 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Nah, you know that I don't think that way. If you back a demand with 'or else' though, 'or else' better not mean shiptoasting on the IGS.
I do indeed, is it just me, or did this used to be more fun?


Well, yeah. Definitely. Fun is in very short supply these days in both our factions.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.