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Dev Blog: PLEX Rework - Follow Up

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Cristl
#21 - 2017-03-21 17:57:54 UTC
Milla Goodpussy wrote:
Sir BloodArgon Aulmais wrote:
Milla Goodpussy wrote:
rofl

so you, let me get this right.. the 300 free aurum you gave us, will eventually convert to 1k plex, which essentially is a 30 day game time down the road for free?


No it converts to 300 plex. Or 0.3 plex. Be thankful you get that at all, instead of the previous trimming of the low fruit.

Changes look good to me.



i honestly dont care since i lost well over 64k aurum in dust, which ccp never honored moving over. that ended my MT affair with them.. forever.

No, 300 aurum will convert to 42 or 43 NewPlex, depending on the mood of CCP_Round (so about 8.6% of a current PLEX). 64k aurum would be over 9000 NewPlex, equivalent to over 18 current PLEX.

I don't know how the DUST aurum worked though, so I don't know if they are comparable. You certainly have my sympathy if they were.
Con Solo
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2017-03-21 18:02:16 UTC
Cristl wrote:
Con Solo wrote:
You still have not allayed the concerns of many players with regards to the PLEX Vault. Giving pilots the ability to immediately transport PLEX through the galaxy renders the PLEX trade completely moot. PLEX price depends on what region it is sold for because of the risk involved in moving PLEX. Now the trade will be abused by characters who will transport PLEX instantaneously to be sold at other stations...I pay yearly subscriptions for the immersion...With all the babying these updates are trying to accomplish, it is starting to feel more like a game than a wild space simulator.

Well, Mr Immersion, when you transfer money between accounts and people in real life do you carry it in a suitcase full of used bills, or use electronic means to transport it? I don't recall the Somalian pirates ever targeting ships carrying wallets - at least not full ones.

I do remember American transport planes losing literally tonnes of US bills in Iraq. Like several Hercules' loads of $100 bills, but that's the exception, not the rule. Also: Americans. Also: RL politics restrictions in here. Google it.

Denying people carrying PLEX seems to only hurt RMTers, and help newbies to me. Do you RMT Mr Immersion?


Well Mr. Commercial Paper- money, bills, and shares all represent something of value, and unless you burn them they generally do not leave the market. Different from PLEX because it is valuable in and of itself; you can buy game time. Because it can be used up and taken away from the total volume of the market illustrates this inherent value. PLEX is therefore more like a usable commodity, and should be treated as a tangible thing.

Also, I have no clue what RMT means. I've played Eve for sometime now but haven't heard the term until recently.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2017-03-21 18:05:54 UTC
Good call. P

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MidnightWyvern
The Bosena Accords
Warclone Initiative
#24 - 2017-03-21 18:09:35 UTC
Cade Windstalker wrote:

The only way this actually destroys your gameplay is if the vast majority of the playerbase suddenly starts reading available information, which seems unlikely.

I got a good laugh out of this one. It'd taking a god damned miracle to get even a small portion of the playerbase to actually pay attention to useful information.

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Cristl
#25 - 2017-03-21 18:17:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Cristl
Also, so people who Google stuff don't get confused, pick a new name for the combination currency. Such as MOOLA: Multiple Origin Omnifarious Liquid Asset. Smile

Or WONGA, but I can't make that work.
IcyMidnight
Nobody in Local
Of Sound Mind
#26 - 2017-03-21 18:25:48 UTC
Much better, thanks!

Also please consider moving the PLEX Vault to Assets instead of inventory. Makes much more sense there since most of the time you wouldn't need access to it so there's no need to take up UI space.

Also, ALSO: 25% SKIN sale so we can spend our AUR!
Gogela
The Conference Elite
CODE.
#27 - 2017-03-21 18:26:01 UTC
Seems pretty reasonable to me. Good changes.

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Drabbin Mishi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#28 - 2017-03-21 18:34:54 UTC
What will happen with unredeemed codes for the various Packs (like Explorer, etc.) that include 750 Aurum?
Do they need to redeemed before the conversion?
Or if they're redeemed after the conversion, will a converted-amount of new-PLEX be delivered instead?
Alderson Point
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2017-03-21 18:35:39 UTC
Nice job, nicely handled.
10/10 ✅
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#30 - 2017-03-21 18:44:27 UTC
Cristl wrote:
Milla Goodpussy wrote:
Sir BloodArgon Aulmais wrote:
Milla Goodpussy wrote:
rofl

so you, let me get this right.. the 300 free aurum you gave us, will eventually convert to 1k plex, which essentially is a 30 day game time down the road for free?


No it converts to 300 plex. Or 0.3 plex. Be thankful you get that at all, instead of the previous trimming of the low fruit.

Changes look good to me.



i honestly dont care since i lost well over 64k aurum in dust, which ccp never honored moving over. that ended my MT affair with them.. forever.

No, 300 aurum will convert to 42 or 43 NewPlex, depending on the mood of CCP_Round (so about 8.6% of a current PLEX). 64k aurum would be over 9000 NewPlex, equivalent to over 18 current PLEX.

I don't know how the DUST aurum worked though, so I don't know if they are comparable. You certainly have my sympathy if they were.



Dust Aurum was inflated by a factor of 10.

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Krieg Austern
#31 - 2017-03-21 19:10:10 UTC
These are good changes, kudos for listening to feedback.

I can understand wanting to delay the changeover on smaller AUR balances, and not wanting to hit the market with a big flood of newplex all at once.
Cristl
#32 - 2017-03-21 19:23:23 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Cristl wrote:
Milla Goodpussy wrote:
Sir BloodArgon Aulmais wrote:
Milla Goodpussy wrote:
rofl

so you, let me get this right.. the 300 free aurum you gave us, will eventually convert to 1k plex, which essentially is a 30 day game time down the road for free?


No it converts to 300 plex. Or 0.3 plex. Be thankful you get that at all, instead of the previous trimming of the low fruit.

Changes look good to me.



i honestly dont care since i lost well over 64k aurum in dust, which ccp never honored moving over. that ended my MT affair with them.. forever.

No, 300 aurum will convert to 42 or 43 NewPlex, depending on the mood of CCP_Round (so about 8.6% of a current PLEX). 64k aurum would be over 9000 NewPlex, equivalent to over 18 current PLEX.

I don't know how the DUST aurum worked though, so I don't know if they are comparable. You certainly have my sympathy if they were.



Dust Aurum was inflated by a factor of 10.
A quick google indicates that it was still strictly real cash for dust-aurum though, so shouldn't they get NewPlex equal to their dust-aurum / 70? Otherwise that sounds well out of order. It's the same company after-all. Even big wanky companies like Blizzard, SOE etc allowed you to carry "gamecash" over to other games.

That's really poor form Cry
Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2017-03-21 19:30:03 UTC
For the love of mothershippin' god, CCP, we just told you loud and clear that theft is a felony, but you want to steal at least something so badly you're going for aurum tokens? Can you do anything without theft?

Also, the word "adjust" rubbed me wrong. I realize asking for warranties from CCP FullCon, being a full con and ****, is not really a warranty, but please spell out the following for me: "THE CONVERSION OF AURUM ACCOUNTS UNDER 1000 WILL GO AT THE SAME RATE AS THOSE ABOVE 1000, WHICH IS 7:1". Just to assure us "adjust" wasn't referring to the ratio.

Also, please state directly that THE VAULT STAYS. I'm desperate for the ganker tears, and the tastiest of them all, RMTears.
Kevin Dogguide
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2017-03-21 19:32:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Kevin Dogguide
I think dev's should give people, who have 30-day PLEX already purchased or will have it when the changes are in place, to choose if they want to have their PLEX broken up or not.

I have PLEX sitting in Jita as I have been awaiting news for drilling platforms. I've been waiting a long time. Apparently so have many others.

I didn't purchase PLEX wanting or hoping that it would be broken up into parts, thus making more ISK transactions and greater fees. Give players (like me) the choice to do what they want to an item they have already purchased. You're changing the rules to a game after people have sunk real money, whether or not they want or agree to the changes.

Clearly PLEX as a monthly account top-up will remain a 30 day thing (as dev blog explicitly states), but if you break up all the PLEX already in EVE then people are forced to buy new PLEX to use it for an Omega state.

I'm not so sure breaking up PLEX will be in my best interest. There hasn't been anything that I've read suggesting that I will benefit in any way.
Cade Windstalker
#35 - 2017-03-21 19:55:00 UTC
Con Solo wrote:
I'm not talking about activating PLEX or even purchasing PLEX for the purpose of activating. I'm talking about players who purchase PLEX w/real money to pump isk into their wallets. They will fill a buy order in their current system if they don't mind the loss of 20-30m when it means they don't have to travel all the way to Jita to get the best price. Of course they could just activate the PLEX on their alt and sell at Jita then transfer the isk. The fact that there is no way to transfer PLEX instantly creates a market where players either make that mistake, or when players pop someone moving PLEX and just want to liquidate in their current region no hassles. PLEX must remain exclusively a tangible movable object for purposes of buy orders. The margins between buys and sells, as well as regional disparity, will cease to exist if the Vault is introduced.


This relies on a lot of assumptions, namely a lot of stupid and that aforementioned ignorance of mechanics, both of which seem unlikely to change as a result of the PLEX vault.

First off, I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of PLEX is already redeemed in Jita. That's where the best Buy price is, so the only reason to transport it somewhere else is to put up a Sell order. Any higher buy prices are likely scam orders or one of the above ignorant individuals. If you even have access to a station with such an order you can just redeem your PLEX there before selling it if you bought it with real money.

On top of that this all relies on the aforementioned ignorance of the mechanics. Anyone, no matter how remotely located, can make a trade alt and buy stuff in Jita. It then takes a grand total of 10k ISK to contract that item to their main, at which point it can be remotely activated no matter where in the universe you are.

In short, there's already basically no reason for these disparities to exist, but they still do, because people are bad at reading, game mechanics, and economics. None of these seem likely to change since nowhere in the dev blog do the lines "fixed stupid" appear.
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
#36 - 2017-03-21 20:17:29 UTC
Another way to minimize shock to the new-plex market is to convert AUR under 1000 at the rate of 140 AU per month. It would take 7 months to get to zero, but it would be smoother than one big step.

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Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#37 - 2017-03-21 20:29:24 UTC
Kevin Dogguide wrote:
I think dev's should give people, who have 30-day PLEX already purchased or will have it when the changes are in place, to choose if they want to have their PLEX broken up or not.

I have PLEX sitting in Jita as I have been awaiting news for drilling platforms. I've been waiting a long time. Apparently so have many others.

I didn't purchase PLEX wanting or hoping that it would be broken up into parts, thus making more ISK transactions and greater fees. Give players (like me) the choice to do what they want to an item they have already purchased. You're changing the rules to a game after people have sunk real money, whether or not they want or agree to the changes.

Clearly PLEX as a monthly account top-up will remain a 30 day thing (as dev blog explicitly states), but if you break up all the PLEX already in EVE then people are forced to buy new PLEX to use it for an Omega state.

I'm not so sure breaking up PLEX will be in my best interest. There hasn't been anything that I've read suggesting that I will benefit in any way.




Uh....

You're _badly_ mistaken.

All plex will be broken up into 500.

If you want to get 30 days of game time, you use 500 plex (after they're broken up) to get 30 days of game time.

There's absolutely no difference there. No need to buy new plex. I have no idea where you got that idea from.

Considering that fees are entirely percentile, there's no difference there either.

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Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
#38 - 2017-03-21 20:58:29 UTC
Orca Platypus wrote:
For the love of mothershippin' god, CCP, we just told you loud and clear that theft is a felony, but you want to steal at least something so badly you're going for aurum tokens? Can you do anything without theft?




1.) If you own aurum tokens, remove from market
2.) redeem as aurum.
3.) Use aurum or wait for changes.
4.) STFU because you sound like a 5yr old instead of an adult like most of us that play EvE.
5.) If you are not an adult, then i apologize and urge you to quit this mostly adult themed and operated player system/world CCP has given us.
6.) Have a nice day.
Agaroth Ethriael
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
#39 - 2017-03-21 21:15:28 UTC
I use a lot of plexs ,
I think this is really dumb to do

I don't really like the idea
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#40 - 2017-03-21 21:25:58 UTC
Con Solo wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Hey guys,

Since the release of the PLEX Changes blog a few days back, we've been monitoring feedback, looking at suggestions from the community, and discussing internally what the best course of action is as we move forward with the changes that are coming to PLEX.

Today we have a follow up blog from Team Size Matters for you guys, with a little additional information and a some key changes to how we intend to roll this out.

Once again, thanks for the candid (and sometimes colorful) feedback and discussion over the course of the last few days. We're always open to listening to the concerns and suggestions of our pilots, and looking at ways we can continue to improve the EVE Universe with your help.

Check out the Devblog here, and feel free to leave your feedback in this thread.


You still have not allayed the concerns of many players with regards to the PLEX Vault. Giving pilots the ability to immediately transport PLEX through the galaxy renders the PLEX trade completely moot. PLEX price depends on what region it is sold for because of the risk involved in moving PLEX. Now the trade will be abused by characters who will transport PLEX instantaneously to be sold at other stations. The market will go flat.

Please do not make PLEX a special Item.
Sorry to tell you but there has NEVER been a reason to haul plex from one system to another aside from RMTing or stupidity.
This change does nothing that could not be done at any other time.

I traded plex for a long time all over New Eden and never once undocked with a plex in a ship.

The only players who need to be concerned with the Plex vault ability to move plex are RMT'rs because they will simply stand out so much.. (Won't stop it happening though)

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