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Dev blog: PLEX Changes On The Way!

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Disclosed Desire
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#401 - 2017-03-17 20:20:04 UTC
Damn I need to get close to a CSM candidate, could have made a killing on this.
Vulvona Ride-in
Inefficient Canadian Cosmic Conglomerate
#402 - 2017-03-17 20:41:19 UTC
since the mini plex will be "affordable", i see already all those market Warriors artificially push the value of those mini plex up.

Affording 1.2B plex is harder than a 1.07B plex for example...

but affording a 3M mini plex is not much harder than purchasing a 2M mini plex.

Since the main goal is to enable micro transanction at an even micro-er level that those base on 1-plex-unit, i see the big majority of mini plex transaction being one with small volume of mini plex...

My bet: montly plexing fees will explode ISK-wise!
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
It Burns When I'm PvPing
#403 - 2017-03-17 20:46:15 UTC
Vulvona Ride-in wrote:
since the mini plex will be "affordable", i see already all those market Warriors artificially push the value of those mini plex up.

Affording 1.2B plex is harder than a 1.07B plex for example...

but affording a 3M mini plex is not much harder than purchasing a 2M mini plex.

Since the main goal is to enable micro transanction at an even micro-er level that those base on 1-plex-unit, i see the big majority of mini plex transaction being one with small volume of mini plex...

My bet: montly plexing fees will explode ISK-wise!



I'm not so sure. Especially if you need 500 microPlex to get gametime.

Also will the microPlex be sold on a neweden wide market or will it still be regional markets?

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Lyrrashae
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#404 - 2017-03-17 20:51:42 UTC
It had to happen sooner or later.

Oh well, it was a fun nine years.

Ni.

Torr Victros
EVE University
Ivy League
#405 - 2017-03-17 20:53:19 UTC
The part of the change I like the most is that Aurum will disappear and PLEX (or what many pilots are calling mini-PLEX) will be used as the only currency.

I thought at first that 1 old PLEX will equal 500 new PLEX was too many (why not 1 old = 10 new), but then there would be a problem replacing the Aurum with the new PLEX.

I suspect that, with the new currency being smaller units, there might be a lot of unexpected trade changes, but that might be good, might be exciting... Who knows.

All in all, I think it is a good move.
Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#406 - 2017-03-17 21:07:23 UTC
Lyrrashae wrote:
It had to happen sooner or later.

Oh well, it was a fun nine years.


Uhm, what exactly happened?
Vault is a great thing (even if UI for it is utter ****).
Unifying PLEX and AUR is ok.

The only issue we have is theft of AUR under 1000.

I'd totally buy PLEX, but evil CSM asshats rigged the market before announce, and I wouldn't give those ******* a dime out of my pocket.
I'd totally buy AUR, but since the only thing I'm after is subscription, and AUR costs more than game time, it's a forced extortion of extra money while holding my current AUR hostage, and I don't deal with terrorists.
The only remaining course of action is to lose AUR, which is a charity to CCP, and after the last patch, the only thing their charity box reception opening will see is my rectum in process of dumping contents inside it.

So they put me into lose-lose-lose scenario, and I can't even counter-threat with my sub, because all my alts were cancelled the moment I tested new probe window on TQ.
The Sleeper1A
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#407 - 2017-03-17 21:42:05 UTC  |  Edited by: The Sleeper1A
Taking something I have paid for away is an "Unfair Business Practice" this was made an actionable offence by "The Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008" under Aggressive commercial practices 7.-1 (a) and (b)

Quote:
7.—(1) A commercial practice is aggressive if, in its factual context, taking account of all of its features and circumstances—
(a)it significantly impairs or is likely significantly to impair the average consumer’s freedom of choice or conduct in relation to the product concerned through the use of harassment, coercion or undue influence; and
(b)it thereby causes or is likely to cause him to take a transactional decision he would not have taken otherwise.



The maximum fine for any one case was £5,000 but the cap was removed even at the old cap CCP could receive up to a £5,000 fine for every $4.99 worth of Aurum or portion thereof they steal.


TL;DR if CCP takes something you paid for they will be in a hurt locker of trouble.


References:

Law and statutes
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2008/1277/contents/made

£5,000 fine cap being removed:
http://www.linklaters.com/Insights/Publication1005Newsletter/UK-Corporate-Update-1-April-2015/Pages/Statutory-max-fine-unlimited.aspx
Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#408 - 2017-03-17 22:06:52 UTC
The Sleeper1A wrote:
Taking something I have paid for away is an "Unfair Business Practice" this was made an actionable offence by "The Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008" under Aggressive commercial practices 7.-1 (a) and (b)

Quote:
7.—(1) A commercial practice is aggressive if, in its factual context, taking account of all of its features and circumstances—
(a)it significantly impairs or is likely significantly to impair the average consumer’s freedom of choice or conduct in relation to the product concerned through the use of harassment, coercion or undue influence; and
(b)it thereby causes or is likely to cause him to take a transactional decision he would not have taken otherwise.



The maximum fine for any one case was £5,000 but the cap was removed even at the old cap CCP could receive up to a £5,000 fine for every $4.99 worth of Aurum or portion thereof they steal.


TL;DR if CCP takes something you paid for they will be in a hurt locker of trouble.


References:

Law and statutes
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2008/1277/contents/made

£5,000 fine cap being removed:
http://www.linklaters.com/Insights/Publication1005Newsletter/UK-Corporate-Update-1-April-2015/Pages/Statutory-max-fine-unlimited.aspx


...in which CCP relies on playerbase to actually check their decisions for legal compliance.
AFK Hauler
State War Academy
#409 - 2017-03-17 22:35:50 UTC
Moonlit Raid wrote:
AFK Hauler wrote:
Scanning the thread, I can see that there is about 98.76% negative response to this subject.

Wonder what % we need to be before CCP calls off this nonsense.

Lies, damn lies, and these numbers....

I'm not totally negative on the whole idea of granulating plex, someone who wants omega but can't quite afford a month in real cash go go 50/50 isk and $. I really don't care about that. I do care Aurum I have seemingly paid for is considered below some ind of threshold of worth to CCP that they are willing to essentially rob me.




It's still negative... I hate the thought of getting ripped off my remaining AUR that I haven't spent and paid real money to acquire.
EULA/ToS has stipulations to game QoL and mechanics, but nothing on the separate market that is outside the game (NES). No warning when purchasing the AUR that CCP can/may disregard remaining balances at their convenience.
Erebus 'TheChin' Sundance
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#410 - 2017-03-17 22:55:11 UTC

What happens to the Aurum in our balance if we have under 1000 AUR?

Exquisite change though CCP, A forward step towards a more civilised EVE! I was always shocked to see responsible grown ups allow real money to be evaporated so flippantly in a world where so many have nothing but struggle. Is EVE finally growing up?

+1 karma point.
Olleybear
Armed And Angry
#411 - 2017-03-17 23:15:06 UTC
AFK Hauler wrote:
... I hate the thought of getting ripped off my remaining AUR that I haven't spent and paid real money to acquire.

Ladies and Gentlemen!
Afraid of losing Aurum? Aurum that you have bought in the past with RL funds? In amounts less than 1001 Aurum?
Have no fear! We have a solution so simple, you will be smacking your forehead wondering why you didnt think of it yourself!
Its a solution to solve your very serious dilemma. A solution which is the Mother Of All Solutions, or MOAS.
MOAS helps the serious pod pilot chart his(1) course through New Eden in both safety and assurety of their assets.
Are you ready for the solution? Are you ready!?!? I cant hear you. ARE YOU READY!!!!!!!!!

Buy a plex(2) on the market and turn it into aurum thus bringing your total balance above the minimum limit!

Huzzah!
\o/
Dance!
\\o
Dance!
o//
Swing!
\o__o/

Fine print: (1)His includes the gender pronouns of Her, them, they, zee, and any other of the 97 genders and counting that people have figured out they are because we are a gender inclusive group and dont want to trigger anyone into a protest that may well give them a heart attack.
(2)There was no leak of information on this aurum change ahead of time. Many people are able to figure out that if they buy a plex on the market and bring up their minimum Aurum balance, they wont lose any aurum they previously bought. This created more demand on the market for PLEX and thus the price rose a bit.

When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.

Sha'Uri Dark
Almost Dangerous
Stranger Danger.
#412 - 2017-03-17 23:27:24 UTC
Why not convert all AUR balances to the micro-Plex? I've got several accounts with the 300 AUR from X-mas and unless I want to get clothes with them there's nothing else that is under 300 AUR for me to clear out my balance before I lose it. It would be nice if I could pool all of it on one account and get a skin or something.
Gogela
The Conference Elite
CODE.
#413 - 2017-03-17 23:59:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Gogela
Just FYI, I noticed some sales in the Aurum store. I don't know if it's related to this, but if it is I think that's a nice compromise for CCP. Drop prices on some skins and things so people can clear out their sub-1000k Aurum accounts. If anyone got Aurum thinking it would be worth anything more than cosmetic items they were idiots. That's all Aurum was for.

My account is over 10yo. On an alt I never use I think I have about 2.4k Aurum or something, so I'm assuming that's what everyone else has who was here for all the free Aurum . That account will get the PLEX equivalent: so that's pretty good for no work into the system. I saw a reddit post by a CSM 8 guy who said he thinks the sub-1000k accounts will lose unused Aurum. Honestly the whole thing seems pretty good all around now. I'm on board with all of it.

Still... CCP should probably look into the leaks.

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#414 - 2017-03-18 00:00:35 UTC
Olleybear wrote:
AFK Hauler wrote:
... I hate the thought of getting ripped off my remaining AUR that I haven't spent and paid real money to acquire.

Ladies and Gentlemen!
Afraid of losing Aurum? Aurum that you have bought in the past with RL funds? In amounts less than 1001 Aurum?
Have no fear! We have a solution so simple, you will be smacking your forehead wondering why you didnt think of it yourself!
Its a solution to solve your very serious dilemma. A solution which is the Mother Of All Solutions, or MOAS.
MOAS helps the serious pod pilot chart his(1) course through New Eden in both safety and assurety of their assets.
Are you ready for the solution? Are you ready!?!? I cant hear you. ARE YOU READY!!!!!!!!!

Buy a plex(2) on the market and turn it into aurum thus bringing your total balance above the minimum limit!

Huzzah!
\o/
Dance!
\\o
Dance!
o//
Swing!
\o__o/

Fine print: (1)His includes the gender pronouns of Her, them, they, zee, and any other of the 97 genders and counting that people have figured out they are because we are a gender inclusive group and dont want to trigger anyone into a protest that may well give them a heart attack.
(2)There was no leak of information on this aurum change ahead of time. Many people are able to figure out that if they buy a plex on the market and bring up their minimum Aurum balance, they wont lose any aurum they previously bought. This created more demand on the market for PLEX and thus the price rose a bit.


Hello mr. CSM market manipulating NDA profiteering alt.
**** you.
GTFO.

P.S. Don't listen to him, market has been manipulated by CSM, for each billion you spend on market PLEX, 200 million go to CSM mortgage RMT fund.
Ronnie Rose
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#415 - 2017-03-18 00:16:01 UTC
SIEGE RED wrote:
Capqu wrote:
convert everything, saying you wont convert under 1k for some bullshit reason is straight up pathetic especially when you STILL OFFER 900 points for 4.99€ in your store. you are scamming people plain and simple

the amount being low per individual is not relevant.

you [CCP] are taking/have taken money for an in-game currency
now you are deciding to defunct that currency and not refund players. there is no justification for this

i don't know much about law and i wont pretend to, but to me this is grounds for a class action. every single eve online account with a small amount of currency is being stolen from.

being conservative and saying 30k players with 150 average AUR being stolen, you are stealing 0.83c from each player - which results in over 24,000€ stolen.
and that is with VERY conservative numbers on my part

i don't know what world you live in where you think you can get away with scamming that kind of money in broad daylight and brush it under the rug as a game-play decision.

this isn't an in game currency you invented. this is money you took from people in return for a currency to use your store


It's just bookkeeping. CCP does have to do accounting. It's minor in the overall picture, but it's still important. Also, I'd wager that most Aurum under the 1k units falls firmly into the gift category still - particularly with old / inactive accounts.


Actually Capcu is correct. CCP needs to tread carefully on how they handle Aurum. When people pay real money for a service it is an implied contract agreement between the seller of the service and the buyer. If the seller cancels the delivery of service after taking the buyers money without compensation it can be disputed as a breach of contract and incur a liability to the seller. There are states in the US with very liberal consumer protection laws in which this type of action could invite the dreaded class action by an opportunistic firm.

CCP should not chance it and compensate players having Aurum balances no matter how much, and then impose a new EULA once the change has been made to limit liability from the changes they plan to make.

We're not here to change the game, we're here to change YOUR game

Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#416 - 2017-03-18 00:17:24 UTC
So these old accounts I have with 5500 AUR each I was given as part of the promos held post "summer of rage"....
Gogela
The Conference Elite
CODE.
#417 - 2017-03-18 00:38:20 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
So these old accounts I have with 5500 AUR each I was given as part of the promos held post "summer of rage"....

That's a good question. My accounts haven't ever lapsed, and you have a lot more than me in your idle alts. You must have gotten extra for something somewhere along the line...

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Danmal
TYR.
Exodus.
#418 - 2017-03-18 01:22:10 UTC
A PLEX is a 30- day game time extension. Coincidentally [spoiler alert], the price of PLEX converts roughly into one level 4 mission a day if you run it, factor in LP, loot, and salvage.

So splitting an item that is worth 30 units of something (here: days) into 500 units, instead of splitting it into 30 units, makes which sense? Splitting it into 30 units would also have the benefit that you could sell daily access for one unit of PLEX, but then you are not planning to sell shorter extensions. So the point of you multiplying stuff by 500 is ...?
Ronnie Rose
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#419 - 2017-03-18 02:17:20 UTC
Danmal wrote:
A PLEX is a 30- day game time extension. Coincidentally [spoiler alert], the price of PLEX converts roughly into one level 4 mission a day if you run it, factor in LP, loot, and salvage.

So splitting an item that is worth 30 units of something (here: days) into 500 units, instead of splitting it into 30 units, makes which sense? Splitting it into 30 units would also have the benefit that you could sell daily access for one unit of PLEX, but then you are not planning to sell shorter extensions. So the point of you multiplying stuff by 500 is ...?


Oh, that's easy. I've been thinking about why CCP would denominate PLEX at one five hundredth of it's current value. It would mean the current price of PLEX sold by CCP (about $20 US for one PLEX) would be priced at about $0.04 or 4 cents. That is considerably cheap. Now when the in game market gets too crazy with PLEX prices rising in ISK, players can opt to buy PLEX with real money from CCP. This would give CCP the flexibility to make PLEX offerings at $5 US or even $1, which would equal 25 mini PLEX's. Basically, it would drive players to consider buying PLEX outside the game and directly from CCP which of course adds to their revenue.

It's pretty clever, actually, from a marketing-revenue generating aspect.

We're not here to change the game, we're here to change YOUR game

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#420 - 2017-03-18 02:37:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
It will start from above 2M and will fast be nearing 3 M when all Alphas will grab a few. I would grab a few and I am Omega.

And its actually a great thing to not give CCP money as it looks now. I have not bought a piece of Aurum ever. This change would never had a chance to affect me in any meaningfull way. Not risking any unused aurum to be liquidated, and not a few coins thrown out at CCP they keep without giving anything in return. Its like they would steal yo money, but not really, just pocket change. What do you do about that? I keep the change, thanks. For you all, its a lesson for future. Maybe dont give CCP money? CCP will teach you a lesson. To not give them money.