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Dev blog: PLEX Changes On The Way!

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Chris Ishar
Digital Zone Corp
#381 - 2017-03-17 16:07:33 UTC
Skully Luv wrote:
With all due respect, who cares? We want new ships, new PVE content, new WH content, more ways to kill each other in PVP. Please stop wasting dev resources on this and other useless things like skins.

Ccp cares. Ccp makes the game and gets the real life money. You make the forum posts. Learn your position.

Tanuki Kittybeta wrote:
how many hours/days does 1 micro plex give pls

Absolutely zero. You need 500 to buy 30 Day License.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#382 - 2017-03-17 16:18:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Def Monk wrote:
So, 500 plex works out to be 1hr, 26min, 24 seconds of game time per PLEX. Why not convert them all to 720 units, which will make every plex exactly 1 hour of game time?

One nice outcome about this is someone can say "Hey, I wanna buy/give 1 week of play time". And they can do that now. But, then the question rises: how many do I need? With the current 500 per plex, that math is complicated and dumb. At 1 hour per, its simple: 24 hours, 7 days, I need 168 PLEX.

If there's a specific reason for 500, I'd love to know.

EDIT: My math is assuming 1 PLEX = 30 days.

I too would like PLEX CHARGE to be equal to a 1 hour of PLEXing, I mean subscription time.

Lets just call it PLEX CHARGES from now on.

PLEX CHARGES on the way. \o/
Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#383 - 2017-03-17 16:34:59 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Decoy
Chris Ishar wrote:
Ccp cares. Ccp makes the game and gets the real life money. You make the forum posts. Learn your position.

And I make the money they make from my payments.
I haven't got free AUR but have 500 I paid for. And I don't want to buy plex after CFCSM *snip* ~ ISD Decoy inflated prices on it to make a killing while everyone rushes to save their AUR, because **** CFCSM in general and every single member of it personally, they represent nobody and just in it for their mortgage, elected during boycott and approving **** like pretty much every change in this patch (Tried to use new probe window. Couldn't. Simply couldn't. And don't get me started on fighters and rorq).

This is a clear case why CFCSM of CCPL must go *snip* ~ ISD Decoy.

Nana Skalski wrote:
PLEX CHARGES on the way. \o/


Load them into your small blasters to ensure 100% droprate... nah ganktards would still cry about something even after this buff, since they're crying after all other buffs too.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
It Burns When I'm PvPing
#384 - 2017-03-17 16:38:57 UTC
Sullen Decimus wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Obil Que wrote:
Sullen Decimus wrote:
SIEGE RED wrote:
Interesting, every bit of market data hints more than strongly at a CSM leak prior to this devblog. It was already weird, yet now it's clear.


What??


Tinfoil 1: PLEX rising prior to announcement means CSM leaked the data and influenced prices
Tinfoil 2: PLEX falls prior to announcement means CSM leaked the data and influenced prices

Choose

Tinfoil 1

You don't think that's more than coincidence?

OK than... Roll


I just want to know why you think that we are told "hey guys we're going to inject a shitload of plex into the game when aurum converts" would ever equate to me wanting to go buy enough plex to jump the market up by 15%.



Its not whether the strategy was smart it is whether it was due to a leak.

Was the strategy smart? Well plex will now gain a new use that it didn't have before - i.e., it can now be used for everything that aurum used to be required for in a direct way. Combine that with ccp literally erasing a large amount of aurum from the system and I can see why it might go up. Traditionally every time ccp added these new functions for plex the price went up.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
#385 - 2017-03-17 16:42:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Freelancer117
Quote:
Q: With smaller PLEX, will I be able to buy less than 30 days of Omega time?
A: We currently we have no plans regarding smaller game time packages.


The Bull-shite is strong with this one Roll

source: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6638342

Regards, a Freelancer

edit
PS: the "new" plex unit is the equivalent of 1hr 26 min 24 sec (30day/500plex)
What conversation rate might CCP games possible use in the future Question

here is a hint

Q: Will prices change in the New Eden Store?
A: Prices may change after the conversion from Aurum to PLEX as

not all prices will be possible to convert at even numbers.

Eve online is :

A) mining simulator B) glorified chatroom C) spreadsheets online

D) CCP Games Pay to Win at skill leveling, with instant gratification

http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg

http://bit.ly/1egr4mF

Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
#386 - 2017-03-17 16:43:52 UTC
I like the consolidation of currency and am not really bothered about the 1 to 500 exchange but I agree 720 would be a better way to manage the conversion. I did buy some Aur for Pink charity skins and have 350 left on 2 accounts I will probably top them up to over 1000 to avoid loss.


I dislike the available anywhere vault:

I have always thought being able to access an in-game item anywhere in the universe breaks immersion and would prefer a system where the PLEX are held at a NPC bank of your choice.

Have the game time act like a booster so that you have to be in the same place as it to consume it - Give a reason for player to risk moving PLEX & Mulit-player training certificates around in ships.
Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
#387 - 2017-03-17 16:55:34 UTC
Good thing you are moving away from multiple in game currencies, usually a F2P game tends to bombard you with many types Pirate

Eve online is :

A) mining simulator B) glorified chatroom C) spreadsheets online

D) CCP Games Pay to Win at skill leveling, with instant gratification

http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg

http://bit.ly/1egr4mF

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#388 - 2017-03-17 17:07:47 UTC
Iowa Banshee wrote:
I like the consolidation of currency and am not really bothered about the 1 to 500 exchange but I agree 720 would be a better way to manage the conversion. I did buy some Aur for Pink charity skins and have 350 left on 2 accounts I will probably top them up to over 1000 to avoid loss.


I dislike the available anywhere vault:

I have always thought being able to access an in-game item anywhere in the universe breaks immersion and would prefer a system where the PLEX are held at a NPC bank of your choice.

Have the game time act like a booster so that you have to be in the same place as it to consume it - Give a reason for player to risk moving PLEX & Mulit-player training certificates around in ships.

I think they should scan accounts for bought Aurum and then for spent Aurum on those accounts. They should convert ALL BOUGHT and NOT SPENT Aurum for PLEX.
Con Solo
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#389 - 2017-03-17 17:33:23 UTC
Alderson Point wrote:
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Alderson Point wrote:
Think of it logically, Imagine if you had to carry all your isk around with you all the time, sure a gold mine for gankers, but it would basically be an awful mechanic.

Why should game time be any different?


Because, unlike ISK, PLEX is a trading commodity. You buy and sell it on the market, you can invest in it and hope to sell for more at a later time, you can attempt to play the market taking advantage of price differences in different locations, etc. None of that happens with ISK.



The vault will totally remove Plex as a commodity where trading arbitrage occurs.

Plex has become such a Trading vehicle that the entire point of the commodity, a token, or promissory note, exchangeable for services has been lost.

The ENTIRE effect of the vault is to return it to this role.

Whatever is said in the dev blog, this was not accidental, and the primary reason for these changes.

If you are a Trader, look for something new to trade.


This is unintelligible tripe. What are you on about? Of course PLEX is a trading vehicle. Of course there is arbitrage. That's how its suppose to work. What do you even mean when you say the vault will return it to this role? The role of a commodity? Which it already is?

And what do promissory notes have to do with PLEX? Honestly, what on earth are you babbling about?
Con Solo
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#390 - 2017-03-17 17:41:47 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Eleonora Crendraven wrote:
" The PLEX Vault will allow you to move PLEX safely throughout the universe rather than having to move it in a ship. It will still be possible to carry it in a ship like any other item if you want, so if you have an urge to fill a shuttle full of PLEX and tour low sec just drag PLEX out of the vault and into your cargo and you’re good to go.

We know how much you love it when ships blow up with piles of PLEX inside, we even might understand why, but, we also don’t want new PLEX users to be losing their PLEX before they can trade it because they didn’t know how to get to market safely."

I like people who have to move PLEX in a ship. I think I am not the only one. Moving around large amounts of cash should be risky. And a very good reason to use your brain.

So please, NOOOOO


And again... MASSIVE PLEX LOSES IS JUST A RTM, ITS NOT A NORMAL PLAYER BEHAVIOUR ffs


What does "RTM" stand for?
SIEGE RED
The Darwin Foundation
#391 - 2017-03-17 17:43:55 UTC
Con Solo wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Eleonora Crendraven wrote:
" The PLEX Vault will allow you to move PLEX safely throughout the universe rather than having to move it in a ship. It will still be possible to carry it in a ship like any other item if you want, so if you have an urge to fill a shuttle full of PLEX and tour low sec just drag PLEX out of the vault and into your cargo and you’re good to go.

We know how much you love it when ships blow up with piles of PLEX inside, we even might understand why, but, we also don’t want new PLEX users to be losing their PLEX before they can trade it because they didn’t know how to get to market safely."

I like people who have to move PLEX in a ship. I think I am not the only one. Moving around large amounts of cash should be risky. And a very good reason to use your brain.

So please, NOOOOO


And again... MASSIVE PLEX LOSES IS JUST A RTM, ITS NOT A NORMAL PLAYER BEHAVIOUR ffs


What does "RTM" stand for?


Read The Manual. I suppose.
StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
#392 - 2017-03-17 17:48:51 UTC
Plex Vault should be tied to wallet. Not inventory. This should be a given CCP. If it cant be flown or fit to a ship it shouldn't be tied to the inventory.

Having to figure out what to do with the little bit of aurum i have before it poofs is giving me anxiety. Thats just plain mean. Evil

Signatures wer cooler when we couldn't remove them completely.

Jeven HouseBenyo
Vanity Thy Name Is
#393 - 2017-03-17 17:52:25 UTC
CCP, if you plan to just delete Aurum totals under this 1000 threshold, I strongly suggest you give those accounts with 999 and less Aurum some sort of compensation. Whether as Mini-Plexes, SPs, ISK, SKiNs, random (Marketable!) trinkets or another compensation. To just delete those Aurum with no fair return on the value is immoral, wrong, and appears very similar to RL theft. I'd get rather steamed if a bank deleted any of my savings if their software devs decided keeping track of low amounts of dollars and cents was too much effort, since that would be stealing.

Perhaps letting those with multiple accounts lump that Aurum into one account to cross the magic 1K number? And remainder Aurum get whichever fair compensation thing you decide upon?

Piracy, theft, and scams are perfectly fine in-game. NOT as a RL business model for customer interaction.

>Jeven's Keyboardist

Minny boat flyer, unofficial squeaky wheel.

'Game Ethics and Morality Monitor' I remember promises.

Snark at 11-24/7/365.25. Overshare? Yup.

Yes it's my fault. And if you don't staap it I'll do it again. ;-P

No you can't has my stuffs OR my SPs.

Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
#394 - 2017-03-17 18:28:17 UTC
Nice Win - Win situation you created for yourselves CCP games.

Most F2P games have many currencies to dazzle their customers,
but you have chosen to stick with just the "one".... PLEX

And for bookkeeping reasons it can still be tracked as deferred debt on the balance sheet.
source: http://marketsforisk.blogspot.nl/p/ccp-financials-my-attempt.html

By increasing the granularity of the old Plex into new plex (500 pieces)
the Company can synthetically increase demand for the new plex commodity.

If Alpha clones try very very hard, one day they can scrounge up 500 pieces.

This higher demand for the same commodity (the new plex pieces) will no doubt
increase it's comparable ISK value to the old Plex, and since you soon get more
isk value out of your rl $$$ for plex, the supply Volume will gradually increase to.

And there we have it: the Company wins on two fronts, by selling more Plex volume
on one side and writing that deferred income with a higher turnover time in the books.

Regards, a Freelancer

ps: watch out, Icelandic is again returning to the international market :)
source: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-12/iceland-removes-krona-controls-more-than-eight-years-after-crash

Eve online is :

A) mining simulator B) glorified chatroom C) spreadsheets online

D) CCP Games Pay to Win at skill leveling, with instant gratification

http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg

http://bit.ly/1egr4mF

Alderson Point
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#395 - 2017-03-17 18:54:33 UTC
Con Solo wrote:
Alderson Point wrote:
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Alderson Point wrote:
Think of it logically, Imagine if you had to carry all your isk around with you all the time, sure a gold mine for gankers, but it would basically be an awful mechanic.

Why should game time be any different?


Because, unlike ISK, PLEX is a trading commodity. You buy and sell it on the market, you can invest in it and hope to sell for more at a later time, you can attempt to play the market taking advantage of price differences in different locations, etc. None of that happens with ISK.



The vault will totally remove Plex as a commodity where trading arbitrage occurs.

Plex has become such a Trading vehicle that the entire point of the commodity, a token, or promissory note, exchangeable for services has been lost.

The ENTIRE effect of the vault is to return it to this role.

Whatever is said in the dev blog, this was not accidental, and the primary reason for these changes.

If you are a Trader, look for something new to trade.


This is unintelligible tripe. What are you on about? Of course PLEX is a trading vehicle. Of course there is arbitrage. That's how its suppose to work. What do you even mean when you say the vault will return it to this role? The role of a commodity? Which it already is?

And what do promissory notes have to do with PLEX? Honestly, what on earth are you babbling about?


you may have failed to understand. people will buy EVERYWHERE and just put it in Jita with their alt on the same account. No one will be able to buy Plex and make money moving it across space. You do understand what arbitrage means don't you or is it just a word for you you heard somewhere?
Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#396 - 2017-03-17 19:07:44 UTC
Alderson Point wrote:
you may have failed to understand. people will buy EVERYWHERE and just put it in Jita with their alt on the same account. No one will be able to buy Plex and make money moving it across space. You do understand what arbitrage means don't you or is it just a word for you you heard somewhere?


Oh yeah because PLEX buy orders can be only created at Jita right?
AFK Hauler
State War Academy
#397 - 2017-03-17 19:27:40 UTC
Scanning the thread, I can see that there is about 98.76% negative response to this subject.

Wonder what % we need to be before CCP calls off this nonsense.




















Lies, damn lies, and these numbers....
000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
#398 - 2017-03-17 19:41:10 UTC
sooo... what will 185 plex get me then? Lol
Queen of Jita
Neutron Blaster Solutions
#399 - 2017-03-17 19:46:52 UTC
000Hunter000 wrote:
sooo... what will 185 plex get me then? Lol


This is a litle tricky: buy 900 AUR :)

Thats the hidden catch
Moonlit Raid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#400 - 2017-03-17 19:52:01 UTC
AFK Hauler wrote:
Scanning the thread, I can see that there is about 98.76% negative response to this subject.

Wonder what % we need to be before CCP calls off this nonsense.

Lies, damn lies, and these numbers....

I'm not totally negative on the whole idea of granulating plex, someone who wants omega but can't quite afford a month in real cash go go 50/50 isk and $. I really don't care about that. I do care Aurum I have seemingly paid for is considered below some ind of threshold of worth to CCP that they are willing to essentially rob me.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

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