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Can we get rid of CSM after the recent PLEX insider trading fiasco?

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Tetsel
House Amamake
#81 - 2017-03-17 12:24:37 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
Mr Mieyli wrote:
As well meaning as they are and as much effort as CSM members put in, they are a strong echo chamber for CCP. I worry that it is dangerous for CCP to listen as heavily as they do on the CSM. Eve could quite easily drift farther and farther from normality as it's steady playerbase continually push for changes they want, then adapt.

CCP listens to the CSM? Since when?


Pretty much this when it comes to real money and not game design CCP gives no **** for the CSM, Alpha clones were a big move and CSM learnt about it 2 days prior to the devblog, it wasn't discuss at all with them under NDA.
Delete CSM plz that just a metagame tool for big voting groups and a PR/DC for CCP.

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Cat Evergreen
Doomheim
#82 - 2017-03-17 12:30:12 UTC
Girka Kring wrote:
Their friends who got the info were buying PLEX for few weeks now, ...
PLEX market 60 days

I don't see any indication for increased volume of PLEX traded in your screenshoot. Do you have other proof or indication that someone has been buying up PLEX before or during the price spike?
commander aze
#83 - 2017-03-17 12:35:29 UTC
Or... just a thought we elect people with high moral character via elecrions from the popular vote

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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#84 - 2017-03-17 12:38:18 UTC
commander aze wrote:
Or... just a thought we elect people with high moral character via elecrions from the popular vote

So nothing changes and the system will still be gamed by the nullsec blocs to gain access to NDA information and further their goals?

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2017-03-17 12:39:37 UTC
#NotMyCSM
Salvos Rhoska
#86 - 2017-03-17 12:56:59 UTC
commander aze wrote:
Or... just a thought we elect people with high moral character via elecrions from the popular vote


When has this ever happened in the entire history of voting.

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Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#87 - 2017-03-17 12:57:34 UTC
This thread was an inside job by the CSM to raise the prices on tinfoil hats.
Kane Carnifex
Duty.
Brave Collective
#88 - 2017-03-17 13:02:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Kane Carnifex
An Employee or CSM Member broke the None-Disclosure-Agreement (NDA).
Honestly this will be really hard to proof and sue the right person.

Why happens this? Because of this ******* secret none Transparency ****.
Doesn´t work in Companies, doesn´t work with Friends.. and also doesn´t work for Governments.
But hey "We are CCP", we don´t learn from history...we want our own proof.

Fine, here is your proof you **** doesn't work how you like it.


Btw, i am german... I now my **** bro.

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Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
xX SERENITY Xx
#89 - 2017-03-17 13:08:49 UTC
who knows if CSM are involved in RMT trades and making plex prices spike up then raze it to ground to make it low value for in-real-world currency so the csm buy new plex system plexes then scream its bad to go change it back then 5000 new plex is turned to 50000 another new plex so they sell it to lower plex prices just to say again plex ened changes
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2017-03-17 13:09:19 UTC
Kane Carnifex wrote:
An Employee or CSM Member broke the None-Disclosure-Agreement (NDA).
Honestly this will be really hard to proof and sue the right person.

Why happens this? Because of this ******* secret none Transparency ****.
Doesn´t work in Companies, doesn´t work with Friends.. and also doesn´t work for Governments.
But hey "We are CCP", we don´t learn from history...we want our own proof.

Fine, here is your proof you **** doesn't work how you like it.


Btw, i am german... I now my **** bro.


*Hands out a cookie*
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#91 - 2017-03-17 13:10:51 UTC
Kane Carnifex wrote:
An Employee or CSM Member broke the None-Disclosure-Agreement (NDA).
Honestly this will be really hard to proof and sue the right person.

Nobody's going to get sued over anything.. It's not even official or proven, just rumor-mongering until now..

If it turns out to be true, CCP will at least impose a ban on future CSM participation and may take steps beyond that like a timed ban, but they won't sue anyone..

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
JC Mieyli
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#92 - 2017-03-17 13:11:13 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Mieyli
if csm was involved why would they make plex indestructable
you dont profit from indestructable plex
destroyed plex = greater plex value
shows how dumb the csm are

nvm pvp is dead plex isnt destroyed
indestutable plex = greater investor confidence
=more money for csm

i get it
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#93 - 2017-03-17 13:15:21 UTC
Amak Boma wrote:
who knows if CSM are involved in RMT trades and making plex prices spike up then raze it to ground to make it low value for in-real-world currency so the csm buy new plex system plexes then scream its bad to go change it back then 5000 new plex is turned to 50000 another new plex so they sell it to lower plex prices just to say again plex ened changes
Is this a random word generator masquerading as a forum poster?

Mr Epeen Cool
JC Mieyli
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#94 - 2017-03-17 13:15:22 UTC
god this game turned really bad i dont know why its worth playing now

every kill rats until inevitable meltdown

gghf guys
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#95 - 2017-03-17 13:15:26 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
[quote=Kane Carnifex]

If it turns out to be true, CCP will at least impose a ban on future CSM participation and may take steps beyond that like a timed ban, but they won't sue anyone..


Hah you really believe CCP is not involved in this?
HAhaaha

They would KILL for players $ instead of exchanging Plex for ISK;
Thats why all this changes been made over months;

To lower your ISK/H ratio and now to just fck with Plex prices;;

Each 5 sold plexes, when is "like extra" - means a 20% of ISk (worth plexes) would burn from ppl wallet,
if CCp would be lucky, then that 20% would be enough so ppl wont have enough ISK to buy a plex - and force them to finally pay via $;

Anyway my subs ends in 15 days, and im gonna hold with buying a plex till the prices wont drop enough;

(there is plenty of games to be played...)
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#96 - 2017-03-17 13:20:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Linus Gorp
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
[quote=Kane Carnifex]

If it turns out to be true, CCP will at least impose a ban on future CSM participation and may take steps beyond that like a timed ban, but they won't sue anyone..


Hah you really believe CCP is not involved in this?
HAhaaha

They would KILL for players $ instead of exchanging Plex for ISK;
Thats why all this changes been made over months;

To lower your ISK/H ratio and now to just fck with Plex prices;;

Each 5 sold plexes, when is "like extra" - means a 20% of ISk (worth plexes) would burn from ppl wallet,
if CCp would be lucky, then that 20% would be enough so ppl wont have enough ISK to buy a plex - and force them to finally pay via $;

Anyway my subs ends in 15 days, and im gonna hold with buying a plex till the prices wont drop enough;

(there is plenty of games to be played...)

1) Aren't you supposed to have me blocked?
2) I'm, as usual, surprised by how much crap you can spill out into your posts. CCP gets more money when you pay for your subscription with PLEX than they do when you pay for your sub using the subscription system...
CCP isn't seeding those PLEX into the market. Other players buy them from CCP and sell them for ISK on the market.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#97 - 2017-03-17 13:27:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Naye Nathaniel
Linus Gorp wrote:

1) Aren't you supposed to have me blocked?
2) I'm, as usual, surprised by how much crap you can spill out into your posts. CCP gets more money when you pay for your subscription with PLEX than they do when you pay for your sub using the subscription system...
CCP isn't seeding those PLEX into the market. Other players buy them from CCP and sell them for ISK on the market.


1) yeah u are blocked, but u had few posts which i agree out here;
This one isn't

2) show me a proof of your stupid logic;
Cause as long as i see you have no ******* idea about business stuff
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#98 - 2017-03-17 13:31:29 UTC
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Girka Kring wrote:
I would distinguish two important moments: before and after the new changes are implemented.

PLEX prices will jump even more after the changes were announced, due to all the ppl with less than 1000 AUR will want to get a PLEX. That's how, if the theory is correct, friends of CSM already made huge profits - since they were buying PLEX for a while now. The differences in PLEX prices, over the last 20 days, are so huge, that those involved ppl could have made trillions of ISK already.

PLEX prices will drop a lot after the announced changes are implemented - ppl will lose their AUR under 1000, so they won't be pushing PLEX prices and all the existing AUR above 1000 will flood the PLEX market. At this point CSM and friends should already converted everything to ISK.


This still doesn't pass the Econ 101 sniff test.

If people were buying a bunch of PLEX in advance of this announcement then that would have pushed the price up over the last few months, not kept it roughly steady.

Also the current change in PLEX prices is... not that much honestly. The drop between November 16th when Citadel dropped and November 30th when the price more or less stabilized was about twice this rise, and all of that was just normal post-patch PLEX shocks.

Also converting PLEX to ISK requires that the price jump, and there's no good way to push the PLEX market up without either buying a ton of PLEX, which is economically super risky, or getting a bunch of people to buy a ton of PLEX which is basically impossible to keep a secret.

This seems a lot like you haven't looked at the PLEX market much in the last couple years, looked at it today, and immediately jumped to conspiracy theories to explain it, when in reality the PLEX market has jumped around tons over the last few months let alone the last few years.

Girka Kring wrote:
I'd love to see some data about the sudden jump in the number of active accounts. However the public data SEE HERE suggest that the amount of active accounts is recently only decreasing.

I've seen ppl in many trade channels ingame asking why are PLEX prices rising so fast recently and noone so far had any convicing answer...

...until now, when CCP released the info that CSM had before everyone else.


That's active players logged in, not subbed accounts...

I have to agree, it doesn't make a ton of sense to me. Buying when the supply is about to go up?

looking at the graph it looks like the prices started going up on Mar 8. From Feb 25 to Mar 7 the median day price is at the bottom of the min/max line, Mar 8 is the first day you can see a good portion of the min/max line below the median spot. Less people dumping to buy orders -> price goes up. This was also 2 days after the monthly econ report came out. the isk faucets are pretty dang active and the sinks aren't keeping up. For most in game items we produce far more than we destroy so there are large stockpiles and continued manufacturing to keep prices low, Plex/injectors are pretty much the only place for that extra isk to go.

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Kane Carnifex
Duty.
Brave Collective
#99 - 2017-03-17 13:34:44 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:

Nobody's going to get sued over anything.. It's not even official or proven, just rumor-mongering until now..

If it turns out to be true, CCP will at least impose a ban on future CSM participation and may take steps beyond that like a timed ban, but they won't sue anyone..


Don´t see the point to discuss the kind of punishment at this point, but hey if you like here you go.
(Can you activate common thinking please.. raise the level xD)

If you sign an NDA with no Punishment the NDA doesn´t make any sense.
It is the same with the Secret Statement in the most Employee contracts which charge you at least with your salary.
Instead of a sue i am fine with a BAN it is the same as long it hurts!

Stuff starts suspicious, you dig in and get it more solid and once a case is created you hand it over to a lawyer or the Security Department.


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Milla Goodpussy
Garoun Investment Bank
#100 - 2017-03-17 13:35:43 UTC
CSM will just replace the current with new drones..

this is and has been CSM's way of handling business

and like ccp will step in and do something.

just as ccp was renewing faith.. they lose it once again..

im laughing so hard right now..over the fact that folks trust the CSM.

CSM has became a circle-jerk for geeks who just one up each other in a popularity contest for their alliances.. then they brag about their importance just because they went to Iceland to talk about internet spaceships.


in other words.. they are the most no life having boring nerds of all time.