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Can we get rid of CSM after the recent PLEX insider trading fiasco?

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2017-03-17 02:54:46 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Algarion Getz wrote:

AUR below 1000 will be erased? WTF

Yeah, that sux.

Regardless of the amount of AUR within the account, CCP should just exchange it all into it's PLEX equivalent with the leftover amount being rounded up to equal 1 PLEX. Especially since it will take 500 of the new PLEX to equal the value of the current PLEX.



DMC

EDIT :
What I don't understand is why the OP thinks the CSM is behind it. More than likely an employee of CCP is probably behind it if there is indeed some insider PLEX trading going on.
Drake Aihaken
CODE.d
#62 - 2017-03-17 04:37:53 UTC
Looking forward to the next Jita monument shoot.
Tetsel
House Amamake
Heretic Nation
#63 - 2017-03-17 04:44:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Tetsel
Maybe someone is already shooting it.

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Milla Goodpussy
Garoun Investment Bank
#64 - 2017-03-17 05:14:32 UTC
i really must say the eve community as a whole are just a bunch of gullible followers who put too much trust into this shady company which has in the past had many scandals and leaks.. and yes its occurred once again

the csm has been a joke ever since it was even thought up. you're damn well knowing folks leak info to people and even over the past few days i noticed a strange behavior in those Plex cartels.


eve is just a money grab folks.. thats all there is to it.. you're finally seeing this.. you knew there was going to be a reason behind the alpha push.. you knew it in your gut.. but you thought "this will make the population numbers look better"

just calling it out like it is..

ccp you're doing one great job of pushing away players and showing your desperate for cash mindset.. i know you're desperate just look at the number of people playing.. can you even count to 75k active players any longer??

so be glad folks.. your csm failed you and they saved their buddies with the real money wallets cause their spreadsheet in space is all that matters..

you're very welcome..

now this is what i call meta-gaming

all the way to the bank.

dont forget to vote for the next csm. lol
l0rd carlos
Goryn Clade
#65 - 2017-03-17 07:28:17 UTC
Milla Goodpussy wrote:

eve is just a money grab folks.. thats all there is to it.. you're finally seeing this..

Expert call it: A product :)

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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#66 - 2017-03-17 07:38:51 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Regardless of the amount of AUR within the account, CCP should just exchange it all into it's PLEX equivalent with the leftover amount being rounded up to equal 1 PLEX. Especially since it will take 500 of the new PLEX to equal the value of the current PLEX.

There are some many possibilities how to convert <1000 Aurum.Game time, ISKs, SP.

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville

Kal Mir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2017-03-17 08:48:19 UTC
Girka Kring wrote:
(...)
Can we get rid of CSM? Their only role is to leak info for big entities/their friends. Casual players don't care and don't even vote for CSM. Players in big alliances are forced to vote for specific candidates. Overall CSM is giving advantage to 1% of player base, at the expense of reminding 99%.(...)

so true :(
CopyCatz
Orde van Oranje Nassau
Apocalypse Now.
#68 - 2017-03-17 08:49:58 UTC
It's rumors like this, coupled with the blunt deletion of <1000 aur that keeps sinking my confidence in Eve. I would expect a full inquiry into this by CCP and a statement about the smaller aur amounts before law suit threats start popping up again.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2017-03-17 09:22:01 UTC
I might be wrong but afaik every market speculation should affect daily amount of traded items. While graphs provided do not show it.

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Kaivarian Coste
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2017-03-17 09:27:00 UTC
Any specific reason why <1000 aurum balances are being deleted? The new plex is supposed to be "granular". This just seems like a cheap, grubby move.

And in all my years, I've never voted once for CSM. It's a rubberstamp for the major blocs in this game, and hardly representative of the entire playerbase. This latest scandal suggests that the CSM is now an enemy of the playerbase.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#71 - 2017-03-17 10:06:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Mr Epeen wrote:
Cade Windstalker wrote:

Second, this change is likely to introduce a lot of new PLEX onto the market in the form of spare AUR. Like, I've personally got about a PLEX's worth of AUR that I've never spent before that I got entirely for free, and a lot of others will have something similar.
Hardly any new PLEX being introduced compared to the many billions of AUR that will simply be erased from the game.

Keep in mind that you need 1000+ Aur to be considered for the conversion. Then remember that there are probably 500,000 characters in the game with leftover AUR that amounts to less than 1000 per character.

That's straight up theft by CCP to my mind and needs to have some careful discussion before this goes live. You buy AUR with cash and then find it gone one day?

Not good for business, CCP. Not good at all.

Mr Epeen Cool

I wonder if they could do it that way:

Search accounts for bought aurum. Search for spent aurum in those accounts.
Replace all bought and not spent Aurum with PLEX.

^ This would be the only fair way in my oppinion.

In every other case people will complain, because they will get "literally robbed". And of course if you bought something for real money, you should keep eqivalent of it, if the game is still functioning. That is what people are thinking usually.

In every other case CCP want to get a lot of bad Karma, like EA.
Dinin Dalael
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2017-03-17 11:33:27 UTC
Drake Aihaken wrote:
Sir BloodArgon Aulmais wrote:
Plex prices go up and down all the time.
Proof? Or are you just spewing garbage.

So you're saying it just happens to be a huge coincidnce?
I don't even need my tinfoil on that tight to see that someone leaked and players reaped.

If my CSM term were up in 2 weeks, I wasn't planning on running again and maybe even quitting EVE...
Just saying - it's not much of a stretch.


What you said here, is kind of ********.

1- Just because you're the kind of PoS that would take advantage of a situation, doesn't mean others would.
2-If a CSM member is planning on leaving EVE, there's not much point in himself trying to enrich himself with isk. Sure he could try and do some RMT but meh...


Source your quotes, or stop spewing conspiracy theories.

PS: The moon Landing was not fake. You seem to be the kind of person who needs this information.
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#73 - 2017-03-17 11:49:18 UTC
Cade Windstalker wrote:


If you're right I hope CCP bans those involved, but I don't think you're right.

sits back to watch the entertainmentPirate



They wont;
Or they would just find someone which they can blame;
CSM's are just a CCP bitches... thats all about it;

Need a prove? Watch a video how amazed they were with a new scanning system (and a march patch at all) - and how many players are now speaks it's one of the worst changes ever/
Salvos Rhoska
#74 - 2017-03-17 12:02:33 UTC
That the PLEX change and Aurum wipe is happening in the first place is already in and of itself a CSM failure.

PLEX was working just fine.
Keno Skir
#75 - 2017-03-17 12:02:43 UTC
CopyCatz wrote:
It's rumors like this, coupled with the blunt deletion of <1000 aur that keeps sinking my confidence in Eve. I would expect a full inquiry into this by CCP and a statement about the smaller aur amounts before law suit threats start popping up again.


There are no grounds for a law suit so the threats, much like always, would be without a leg to stand on Pirate
Anthar Thebess
#76 - 2017-03-17 12:04:47 UTC
CCP ban all involved people.
Breach of NDA
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#77 - 2017-03-17 12:05:23 UTC  |  Edited by: embrel
Milla Goodpussy wrote:
i really must say the eve community as a whole are just a bunch of gullible followers who put too much trust into this shady company which has in the past had many scandals and leaks.. and yes its occurred once again


who says they trust? Maybe they just are busy with REAL problems as many of them lead an adult life.

Not that I condone leaking and stealing of AUR balances, but, seriously.
Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#78 - 2017-03-17 12:06:38 UTC
Sure get rid of the CSM.

As well meaning as they are and as much effort as CSM members put in, they are a strong echo chamber for CCP. I worry that it is dangerous for CCP to listen as heavily as they do on the CSM. Eve could quite easily drift farther and farther from normality as it's steady playerbase continually push for changes they want, then adapt. For example, take an honest outside look at suicide ganking. Don't fall back on the 'data' that ganking keeps players in game, I believe players who do find combat and player interaction will stay longer but not because they were ganked. Eve players reason that ganking is necessary for various reasons, due to the games design. However an outsider just sees that your stuff can be destroyed even if you're trying to be careful by moving it in highsec.

CCP either need as wide a net as possible on their ideas, or they need to decide on a goal on to for it for better or worse. For example, WoW decided on their own to make a panda expansion. That decision, I'm sure, cost as well as gained them players. Either take all the feedback you can, or go with your own path.

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JC Mieyli
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#79 - 2017-03-17 12:12:35 UTC
scam involves real money
legal investigation required
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#80 - 2017-03-17 12:18:32 UTC
Mr Mieyli wrote:
As well meaning as they are and as much effort as CSM members put in, they are a strong echo chamber for CCP. I worry that it is dangerous for CCP to listen as heavily as they do on the CSM. Eve could quite easily drift farther and farther from normality as it's steady playerbase continually push for changes they want, then adapt.

CCP listens to the CSM? Since when?

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.