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While you have some good points, you clearly haven't used HICs much.

- Can MWD/AB with point active. If you have a bubble up you'll be super slow, but focused points don't affect it.
- Align around 8-9 seconds. Sure, a Machariel aligns faster, but at least a super doesn't align faster...
- Plated and Trimarked Devoter can do 1285 easy. Average speeds are around 1300-1400.
- Maybe an Onyx has cap issues, but a Devoter can keep things running quite well as long as you're sparing with the MWD.
- That depends on the role. If the role is to point 5-6 ships at once, it will have no DPS. If the role is to point one target, a HIC can get 300-500 DPS.

Sorry if what he said goes against your agenda due to inexperience or only flying 1 fit.

Ive flown a single point devoter, solo (even have a pvp video of it). You can MWD just fine with scram running, speed penalty only applies when bubble is up. My devoter went 1600m/s cold, 2200 /w heat and aligned in about 6.5s (1 nano), could tank 550-600 dps and do 500dps at 21km, or 400 dps at 40km. Was cap boosted, and combined with less cap intensive point, was easy to keep cap running (and using heavy beams).

What you said is just wrong. Even plated, the numbers you quoted are wrong. Unless youre some low skill scrub meeting the bare minimum for skills and sitting in a HIC.

First bit is just false, as several others have pointed out.

Sensor links not working after the point is active don't matter for getting initial point.

Your align time numbers are flat false unless you're running a MWD and 1600 plates, which would just be WTF.

The cap comment is also false if you fit correctly, a HIC's point costs more cap yes but not so much as to be significantly more crippled by neuts than a Recon, especially if you fit to deal with neuting.

Code isn't the issue here, it's simply server ticks. The game has to run this way or the large scale battles Eve is know for would not work. You can't support nearly as many people as Eve does on a grid at once running things real-time.

The DPS is still better than on a comparable EWar ship.

Oversized ABs aren't a con of the HIC, they're just not something a scram works on.

The rest either aren't terribly significant cons in most cases, and certainly aren't enough to make anyone pick a Recon over a HIC for scram projection.

You also forgot that HICs tank far far more than Recons, deal more DPS, and have better fittings.



Your numbers are still incorrect, and your perspective is one dimensional. "How does this ship work for my specific play style" You probably didn't care about HICs before they could scram, once they're no longer the absolute best option for a long-range scram you'll go back to not caring about them. Oh well.

We get it, you're mad something you're using is getting nerfed, but that's no reason to be calling names or using bad facts that anyone can debunk with five minutes and a calculator.

dude, what u smokin'? I want some of that.

-CAN ab/MWD with focused point AND bubble, but speed is greatly reduced with bubble up.
-My nano devoter aligns 5.62 sek
-Cap plenty enough. Even small cap injector on 100mn ab fit is enough.
-My nano devoter top speed 1740/2450 cold/hot with no implants, no links.
-Only curse or x-type neut will shut hic down from 39.4 km. All other is just tickling.
-My nano hic does up to 577 dps (conflag, acolytes and hot)
-Oversized ab fits are so popular beacause hic 39.4km scram.

-We nanofags don't engage if we have no way of shutting hic down

And if u go few pages back, u find my fit posted on this thread. Between myself and a corpmate we have more than 250 kills with that fit or 100mn ab variant within last 3 months. So we DO have quite a lot of experience.

edit: Adding kb links to my corpmates killboard to ALL kills with devoter he has.
https://zkillboard.com/ship/12017/character/1629137859/

Where is the post to discuss the changes with Directional and Probe Scanner?

I am not enjoying a few things that are coming in March.

I know my Nanofiber Internal Structure II makes your eyes damp. But don't worry, after the patch, every hic pilot will be given Caldari Navy Tissues to wipe those tears off.

He is not. His description is more accurate than yours.

Agreed.

While having only used Onyx and Broadsword my experience is the opposite of the stats in question. MWD focus point active is fine. Large faction cap has even Onyx cap stable with SB n all mods on. Only time I ran out of cap in both Onyx n Broadsword was active tanked 100mn MWD but that took my speed to 5k / 7k Onyx / Brioadsword (Anti Orthrus Fit) and still lasted 1.5 mins.

Fit for single point work Onyx has a respectable 500dps with rapid lights and hits every class of ship for almost full DPS.

Good ships but not deserving of a nerf especially when considering the abilities of kiting ships and their near impunity to being caught. Having been in Horde dealing with kiters on a daily basis as a standing fleet member I've watcher kiters picking off people and avoiding the fleets easily hour after hour. Only times they were caught was when they screwed up.

HICs weren't that useful other than to scare them off. I've had Orthrus land next to me in Onyx and align and warp out before lock. The only time I've caught them reliably is starting at about 100km with 100mn MWD and snagging them before they realised the HIC that was at 100 is suddenly at 60 and doing 5-7kms. That only works if they're preoccupied with kiting somebody else.

it is a scram bonused ship requiring very intensive skills, high costs and significant downsides _ like no drone bay.

Try training graviton physics 5 to fly an arazu. Recons already get either cloak or don't appear on scanner so they have a way of getting close that HICs do not. Let's give HICs one of those abilities perhaps?

None of those downsides is remotely enough to offset the massive scram range, especially when you compare it to the actual scram-range bonused ships.

Compared to an Arazu or a Lachesis a HIC has:

• Way more HP and a generally better tank
• Better scram and point range
• Infini-point
• better DPS
• More fitting space AND slots
• And can get better cap and/or equal or better speed
• The ability to deploy a bubble in Null and WHs

On the flip side the Arazu and Lachesis get...

• The ability to cloak (complete with targeting delay) or be D-scan immune (worthless if already on same grid)
• More bandwidth, slightly, and a bigger drone bay than *most* HICs... but not the Devoter for some reason.
• A Sensor Dampener bonus

No one is going to pick a Lachesis or Arazu over a HIC when the HIC has a better long-scram, better tank, and more DPS because those matter *way* more for any non-cloaky op than either the cloak or the d-scan immunity. Not to mention the ability to deploy a bubble to catch people if the fleet needs to setup a camp for some reason.

Claiming that HICs somehow need to have a longer scram than a scram-focused EWar cruiser is a little ridiculous...