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Pirate Battleships & Absurd Ganker Arguments

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2017-02-23 09:27:56 UTC
EvE was never designed to support ganking

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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#42 - 2017-02-23 09:52:36 UTC
Spenser for Hire wrote:
CCP won't release the numbers of people who quit after being Suicide ganked. Or the numbers of people who cite having been Suicide ganked as the reason they are quitting. So, the Suicide Gankers have been having a field day mystifying everyone who complains on the forums with their absolutely absurd arguments.

But they did mention that from all the players who quit, < 1% even cite ship loss as a reason. They also conducted a study to find out if suicide ganking makes it less likely that a new players subscribes. The results showed quite the opposite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A92Ge2S8M1Y

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Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#43 - 2017-02-23 10:08:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Naye Nathaniel
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Spenser for Hire wrote:
CCP won't release the numbers of people who quit after being Suicide ganked. Or the numbers of people who cite having been Suicide ganked as the reason they are quitting. So, the Suicide Gankers have been having a field day mystifying everyone who complains on the forums with their absolutely absurd arguments.

But they did mention that from all the players who quit, < 1% even cite ship loss as a reason. They also conducted a study to find out if suicide ganking makes it less likely that a new players subscribes. The results showed quite the opposite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A92Ge2S8M1Y


U really trust that?
Would speak wide open that a half of ppl left Eve cause of losing a ship cause of being ganked?
If so then another half of eve would leave cause CCP would have to do an action against that, as ppl live in null sec and SPECIALY in low sec play eve ONLY cause of possible ganking other and harass reason - and i think thats more ppl than being gangked (eve is all about allianced, corporations, WHICH are ganking others =]
Malcorath Sacerdos
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2017-02-23 10:08:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcorath Sacerdos
Infinity Ziona wrote:
EvE was never designed to support ganking



nice find.
Lukka
#45 - 2017-02-23 10:14:09 UTC
OP, this is a rant. You make unfounded assumptions regarding the reasons for pirate battleship devaluation (completely ignoring the fact that the gaming meta for ratting has moved from pirate battleships to marauders and carriers). Equally you make unfounded assumptions that gankers simply want to grief (ignoring the fact that many are profiteering). Furthermore you make unfounded assumptions about their motivations: resolving the economy is unlikely to be a motivator for many individual players who gank.

Furthermore you use a single quotation as the basis for your 'findings'.
Keno Skir
#46 - 2017-02-23 10:30:17 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
ppl live in null sec and SPECIALY in low sec play eve ONLY cause of possible ganking other and harass reason


That's a massive generalization, you're not worth listening to.

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lilol' me
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#47 - 2017-02-23 10:40:44 UTC
funny thing is 0.0 is safer than highsec... the carebears and ultimately the problem is nullsec not highsec.
the problem with people whining about highsec is from useless pvpers who want easy kills.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#48 - 2017-02-23 10:44:35 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
EvE was never designed to support ganking

That's not what I took away from it - what I got is that piracy (etc.) is intended to be more lucrative outside of high-sec. As I don't operate in low or null-sec, I can't comment on whether this is true beyond theorizing that the generally accepted term of "piracy" doesn't really exist in EVE. Or are ships routinely robbed of their cargo and released to continue on their way? (and not in the form of a pod or jump clone)

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#49 - 2017-02-23 10:45:24 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Spenser for Hire wrote:
CCP won't release the numbers of people who quit after being Suicide ganked. Or the numbers of people who cite having been Suicide ganked as the reason they are quitting. So, the Suicide Gankers have been having a field day mystifying everyone who complains on the forums with their absolutely absurd arguments.

But they did mention that from all the players who quit, < 1% even cite ship loss as a reason. They also conducted a study to find out if suicide ganking makes it less likely that a new players subscribes. The results showed quite the opposite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A92Ge2S8M1Y


U really trust that?
Would speak wide open that a half of ppl left Eve cause of losing a ship cause of being ganked?
If so then another half of eve would leave cause CCP would have to do an action against that, as ppl live in null sec and SPECIALY in low sec play eve ONLY cause of possible ganking other and harass reason - and i think thats more ppl than being gangked (eve is all about allianced, corporations, WHICH are ganking others =]


Lets put it this way, why would CCP post results that fly in the face of the last 6 years of changes they have made to EVE if it's not true. What exactly do they gain by showing that the massive amounts of nerfs and content removal in that time was unjustified?
Gregorius Goldstein
Queens of the Drone Age
#50 - 2017-02-23 10:47:26 UTC
Every time I read such a thread I get the feeling that I should start a ganker alt.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#51 - 2017-02-23 10:48:18 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
EvE was never designed to support ganking

That's not what I took away from it - what I got is that piracy (etc.) is intended to be more lucrative outside of high-sec. As I don't operate in low or null-sec, I can't comment on whether this is true beyond theorizing that the generally accepted term of "piracy" doesn't really exist in EVE. Or are ships routinely robbed of their cargo and released to continue on their way? (and not in the form of a pod or jump clone)



Ransoms and cargo seizing was a thing for a few years until too many spergs decided to kill them anyway. Once that trust went so did the ransoms.
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#52 - 2017-02-23 10:52:11 UTC
lilol' me wrote:
funny thing is 0.0 is safer than highsec... the carebears and ultimately the problem is nullsec not highsec.
the problem with people whining about highsec is from useless pvpers who want easy kills.


this
Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
Seventh Sanctum.
#53 - 2017-02-23 10:53:05 UTC
Keno Skir wrote:
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
ppl live in null sec and SPECIALY in low sec play eve ONLY cause of possible ganking other and harass reason


That's a massive generalization,

Pirate


Massive Generalization is that every guy in high sec is a carebear and should be a valid target;
Malcorath Sacerdos
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2017-02-23 11:00:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcorath Sacerdos
baltec1 wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
EvE was never designed to support ganking

That's not what I took away from it - what I got is that piracy (etc.) is intended to be more lucrative outside of high-sec. As I don't operate in low or null-sec, I can't comment on whether this is true beyond theorizing that the generally accepted term of "piracy" doesn't really exist in EVE. Or are ships routinely robbed of their cargo and released to continue on their way? (and not in the form of a pod or jump clone)



Ransoms and cargo seizing was a thing for a few years until too many spergs decided to kill them anyway. Once that trust went so did the ransoms.


indeed and now we have rampart HS Ganking as the new baseline piracy.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#55 - 2017-02-23 11:01:29 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Ransoms and cargo seizing was a thing for a few years until too many spergs decided to kill them anyway. Once that trust went so did the ransoms.

Many low-sec players claim that piracy is alive and well and that ransoms are routinely offered and honored. I contend that this is not the case, and that the prevalence of killmail bragging, joy in shooting blinged ships and pods and extracting as many tears and salt as possible is now standard operating procedure. Or is this perception off?

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#56 - 2017-02-23 11:05:00 UTC
Naye Nathaniel wrote:
lilol' me wrote:
funny thing is 0.0 is safer than highsec... the carebears and ultimately the problem is nullsec not highsec.
the problem with people whining about highsec is from useless pvpers who want easy kills.


this


So why does every survey find that highsec has less killed per head of population and null eats up the vast bulk of destruction?
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#57 - 2017-02-23 11:05:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Malcorath Sacerdos wrote:
indeed and now we have rampart HS Ganking as the new baseline piracy.

This isn't piracy so much as it is suicide bombing. I'm not advocating or condeming ganking one way or the other, but calling it "piracy" is really a stretch.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#58 - 2017-02-23 11:05:47 UTC
Malcorath Sacerdos wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
EvE was never designed to support ganking

That's not what I took away from it - what I got is that piracy (etc.) is intended to be more lucrative outside of high-sec. As I don't operate in low or null-sec, I can't comment on whether this is true beyond theorizing that the generally accepted term of "piracy" doesn't really exist in EVE. Or are ships routinely robbed of their cargo and released to continue on their way? (and not in the form of a pod or jump clone)



Ransoms and cargo seizing was a thing for a few years until too many spergs decided to kill them anyway. Once that trust went so did the ransoms.


indeed and now we have rampart HS Ganking as the new baseline piracy.


Ganking is way lower than it used to be.
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#59 - 2017-02-23 11:09:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Agondray
gankers don't go after the null mission runners because they don't leave highsec and they claim a battleship takes to much work to kill that's on autopilot like a freighter. if ganker groups would mass spam incursion sectors lots of faction ships can die on a daily basis fairly easy. esp on TPPH where people go afk shooting the station or you jump in the Vanguards where they don't move pass the warp in.

Hell i'd settle for having a mass incursion fleet with the sole purpose is killing the mom for the tears.

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#60 - 2017-02-23 11:09:18 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Ganking is way lower than it used to be.

Even for freighters...?

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.