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[March] Mobile Warp Disruptor changes

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Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#181 - 2017-02-22 16:19:35 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Orca Platypus wrote:
Either you never ratted yourself, or think that 6 million ticks the aforementioned abomination produced is "still ratting".

Low tick rates are better than the zero tick rates you get when you dock up your T3 in fear of a Thrasher, or paying to replace a high-tick T3 because you shitfit it.

Your call.


Having low tick rates for hour is beaten by having proper tick for 20 minutes and spinning ship for the rest of the hour.

PvE T3 has no chance against Thrasher. PvP T3 has no chance against rats. Pick your poison.
Dayala Gabriele Stargazer
Bration
#182 - 2017-02-22 16:31:23 UTC
How about adding a fuel bay instead, that way people would still have to do something active.
Querns
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#183 - 2017-02-22 16:32:54 UTC
it is sort of surreal seeing all the completely plebian ratting arrangements being thrown out as typical or even desirable itt

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Querns
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#184 - 2017-02-22 16:34:19 UTC
like T3Cs for nullsec ratting, are you high

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Jacques Arkaral
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#185 - 2017-02-22 16:48:10 UTC
Not really seeing a problem with bubbles as is.

Perceived protection, well that's about exactly what they are, perceived not real. They create resistance to passage and that's about it.

Bubbles are easily overcome by the following

- Interdiction Nullification
- Micro Jump Drive
- Micro Jump Field - Pops your whole subcap fleet out
- Cynosaural Fields for BLops, Capital and Titan Pushed fleets
- Cyno Beacons for friendly transit.

Worm holes still open behind/away from the pre-placed mass bubble fields allowing clear access to the entire system.

zKill is replete with Mining fleet losses behind these bubble walls due to capable PvP players.

I understand that a long time ago Anomaly belts were previously cosmic sigs that had to be scanned down. Enough complaining ensued that they were converted to Anomalies which made hunting miners easier. It is now very little effort for them to just warp to the Ice Belt or biggest anom belt. This bubble change seems like more of the same.

CCP, I see the attraction to doing this. It is in line with the current goal to create a fully destructible environment. PvP players love it as it will reduce their effort and risk while increasing their reward at the expense of PvE players.

Please consider some actual play balance in this change. Simply nerfing the bubbles increases imbalance.

Here are some play balance considerations
- - Cloaking - Eliminate all movement penalties to cloaking and replace with a duration timer of 10 minutes same as cyno with a cool down of 5 minutes reduced by skill or require fuel.
- - Bring back Cosmic Sig Belts. [Seriously, how hard is it to scan a Rorqual down? BTW its self pointed for 5 minutes at a time]
- - More damage inflicted by asteroid environment like we have with Mercoxit mining. Examples:
* Collision damage from asteroids [Would require a change to individual asteroid warp in for all, maybe 100m offset]
* Dust clouds that inflict damage at speed i.e. move faster than 100ms you suffer damage with exception to warping
- - Allow tractor beams to tractor ships without affecting warp [Factor in Mass to determine what pulls what]

I really think many miners would like a standup fight vs being blobbed on by someones big stick fleet with ridiculously lopsided combat advantages.








Lugh Crow-Slave
#186 - 2017-02-22 16:50:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugh Crow-Slave
Grath Telkin wrote:
Good start, though I'd like to see all bubbles die in 24 hours or less.

Now lets remove nullification from anything but an interceptor.



so you can rat in near complete safety just by having the system cyno jammed? no thanks unless you are going to add nullification to another ship that can fit cov ops cyno. not to mention how important nullified t3s are for WH
Ncc 1709
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Reckless Contingency.
#187 - 2017-02-22 17:24:08 UTC
Make them use ozone!
Ruby Gnollo
#188 - 2017-02-22 17:34:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Ruby Gnollo
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Balancing between the needs of different types of players is always a tightrope and all I can say is that we'll continue to work hard trying to thread that needle.


If we're talking abt rebalancing don't hide behind a so obviously-biased CSM or whatever noisy Reddit herd of the day. If CCP wants to do this, there is no need to pretend it's a request from the playerbase or whatever. This is YOUR game we are your customers, not your friends.

Do you want to make of Eve a game where so-called elite plexed cool players farm casual paying customers ? You wish to penalize preparation and planning at small teams level and help drunk roamers to find contents wherever the wormholes open in the rathole they love to hide into to avoid any consequencies ? Can't the so-called elite pvpers find targets by themselves amongst themselves and need lame ducks to shoot to go to sleep before getting sober ? This is perfectly fine : just don't forget that what makes Eve unique is the so-called "elite" gameplay. Otherwise said, casual players can easily find other games to play. On the long run, concentrating in one game the nerdiest playerbase is good for everybody.

But, hey, CCP : this is your choice : choose your customers & choose wisely.
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#189 - 2017-02-22 17:35:45 UTC
Orca Platypus wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Orca Platypus wrote:
Either you never ratted yourself, or think that 6 million ticks the aforementioned abomination produced is "still ratting".

Low tick rates are better than the zero tick rates you get when you dock up your T3 in fear of a Thrasher, or paying to replace a high-tick T3 because you shitfit it.

Your call.


Having low tick rates for hour is beaten by having proper tick for 20 minutes and spinning ship for the rest of the hour.

PvE T3 has no chance against Thrasher. PvP T3 has no chance against rats. Pick your poison.



If you gave up PvE and focused on PvP, you might make more isk

Then you could afford more bubbles
Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#190 - 2017-02-22 17:46:58 UTC
Kenneth Feld wrote:
Orca Platypus wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Orca Platypus wrote:
Either you never ratted yourself, or think that 6 million ticks the aforementioned abomination produced is "still ratting".

Low tick rates are better than the zero tick rates you get when you dock up your T3 in fear of a Thrasher, or paying to replace a high-tick T3 because you shitfit it.

Your call.


Having low tick rates for hour is beaten by having proper tick for 20 minutes and spinning ship for the rest of the hour.

PvE T3 has no chance against Thrasher. PvP T3 has no chance against rats. Pick your poison.



If you gave up PvE and focused on PvP, you might make more isk

Then you could afford more bubbles


If you make more in PvP than in PvE, god, you suck at PvE so badly.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#191 - 2017-02-22 17:55:28 UTC
Orca Platypus wrote:
Kenneth Feld wrote:
If you gave up PvE and focused on PvP, you might make more isk

Then you could afford more bubbles


If you make more in PvP than in PvE, god, you suck at PvE so badly.

PvP is at the heart of all the most profitable enterprises in EvE.

Why do you think untold fleets of ships have been sacrificed to Bob at the foot of countless POSes? Hint: It wasn't for the good fights.

Relatively Notorious By Association

My Many Misadventures

I predicted FAUXs

James Zealot
BENEVOLENC3
Evictus.
#192 - 2017-02-22 17:57:06 UTC
Orca Platypus wrote:
Kenneth Feld wrote:
Orca Platypus wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Orca Platypus wrote:
Either you never ratted yourself, or think that 6 million ticks the aforementioned abomination produced is "still ratting".

Low tick rates are better than the zero tick rates you get when you dock up your T3 in fear of a Thrasher, or paying to replace a high-tick T3 because you shitfit it.

Your call.


Having low tick rates for hour is beaten by having proper tick for 20 minutes and spinning ship for the rest of the hour.

PvE T3 has no chance against Thrasher. PvP T3 has no chance against rats. Pick your poison.



If you gave up PvE and focused on PvP, you might make more isk

Then you could afford more bubbles


If you make more in PvP than in PvE, god, you suck at PvE so badly.


You're telling me you can log on, make like 10B or more in a night? You do the right kind of PvP or piracy lol, and you can make WAY more.
Mr Floydy
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#193 - 2017-02-22 17:57:29 UTC
Orca Platypus wrote:
And if you have rorquals, you better have bubbles at least 5 jumps out, or they're dead, fuk CCP.

I know a fair few people who quite like using rorquals and getting tackled in them. With the panic mode they're a great content driver - they get tackled, call for support. Support comes in and kills/scares off attacker. Rorq carries on mining in happiness than the PvP guys in alliance love them :)

Sounds like your alliance has the wrong mentality tbh.
James Zealot
BENEVOLENC3
Evictus.
#194 - 2017-02-22 17:58:55 UTC
Ruby Gnollo wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Balancing between the needs of different types of players is always a tightrope and all I can say is that we'll continue to work hard trying to thread that needle.


If we're talking abt rebalancing don't hide behind an so obviously-biased CSM or whatever noisy Reddit herd of the day. If CCP wants to do this, there is no need to pretend it's a request from the playerbase or whatever. This is YOUR game we are your customers, not your friends.

Do you want to make of Eve a game where so-called elite plexed cool players farm casual paying customers ? You wish to penalize preparation and planning at small teams level and help drunk roamers to find contents wherever the wormholes open in the rathole they love to hide into to avoid any consequencies ? Can't the so-called elite pvpers find targets by themselves amongst themselves and need lame ducks to shoot to go to sleep before getting sober ? This is perfectly fine : just don't forget that what makes Eve unique is the so-called "elite" gameplay. Otherwise said, casual players can easily find other games to play. On the long run, concentrating in one game the nerdiest playerbase is good for everybody.

But, hey, CCP : this is your choice : choose your customers & choose wisely.


Someone get this guy a bucket for all those tears! I think you're mixing CCP up with parents and the players as children.
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#195 - 2017-02-22 18:16:08 UTC
Orca Platypus wrote:
Kenneth Feld wrote:
Orca Platypus wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Orca Platypus wrote:
Either you never ratted yourself, or think that 6 million ticks the aforementioned abomination produced is "still ratting".

Low tick rates are better than the zero tick rates you get when you dock up your T3 in fear of a Thrasher, or paying to replace a high-tick T3 because you shitfit it.

Your call.


Having low tick rates for hour is beaten by having proper tick for 20 minutes and spinning ship for the rest of the hour.

PvE T3 has no chance against Thrasher. PvP T3 has no chance against rats. Pick your poison.



If you gave up PvE and focused on PvP, you might make more isk

Then you could afford more bubbles


If you make more in PvP than in PvE, god, you suck at PvE so badly.



Literally 45 seconds of work

https://zkillboard.com/kill/49662844/
James Zealot
BENEVOLENC3
Evictus.
#196 - 2017-02-22 18:20:33 UTC
Literally 45 seconds of work

https://zkillboard.com/kill/49662844/

To be fair, you'd have to split that 37 times :P Still can't get that for 45 seconds of work in PvE :P
Broken December
THORN Syndicate
Northern Coalition.
#197 - 2017-02-22 18:35:02 UTC
I like it !!!! Twisted
Ruby Gnollo
#198 - 2017-02-22 18:46:05 UTC
James Zealot wrote:

Someone get this guy a bucket for all those tears! I think you're mixing CCP up with parents and the players as children.


Maybe the most overused personal attack of all Eve. Do you have another trick to show the public or should we please stick to the subject and maybe even arguments ?
zyalino
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#199 - 2017-02-22 19:48:14 UTC
because i too don't know how this change will work out once it's deployed, i want to suggest that a longer lifetime, combined with a higher price and lesser hp might lead to the same vision of a bubblefree nullsec; though it might encourage more players to activly "hunt" bubbles.

nullification, btw, should not be removed, but a new (let's say t3) bubble type, and or dictor probe, should be introduced that targets nullified ships but not normal ones.

whatever

Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#200 - 2017-02-22 20:56:34 UTC
James Zealot wrote:
Literally 45 seconds of work

https://zkillboard.com/kill/49662844/

To be fair, you'd have to split that 37 times :P Still can't get that for 45 seconds of work in PvE :P



Nah, I supplied all the ships and ran the operation, I gave out some door prizes along the way