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Boozbaz
Brutor Clan
#21 - 2017-01-11 03:16:52 UTC
Oh no doubt. The introduction of Citadels has likely made big changes in FW. You can no longer lock out the enemy by flipping an enemy system like you used to. They can just keep re-shipping in a Citadel inside the same system (if I understand this correctly).

And when they introduced Fozzie-sov, the I-hubs in FW stayed the same, where it's just either a long-ass grind for a small group, or you gotta bring a big group to bash the ihub. Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing, I just noticed that it remained the same in the face of Fozziesov.
W0lf Crendraven
TeamTama
#22 - 2017-01-11 03:53:37 UTC
Anyways, if your ship doesnt do enough damage use damage mods. Not using t2 if you can is stupid and you always should. Stay out of BCs if you arent very good at the game, a t2 fit svipul will do enough dps to break the npcs too and its much easier to get away in one.

Also, plexing large plex offensively as a solo pilot isnt that smart. Especially in something easy to beat like a battlecruiser. But if you insist on doing it get a proper fit and not what you have been flying. (there are 2 good cyclone fits (and variation of those), single xlasb ham or dual xlasb ham)
Abyss Azizora
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2017-01-11 19:52:48 UTC
260 dps on a battlecruiser? My "ewar" T1 cruisers do 350+ dps with drones and 2 unbonused launchers, and they don't even have damage mods.

Something is very very wrong with how your fitting that battlecruiser.
Templar Dane
Amarrian Vengeance
Team Amarrica
#24 - 2017-01-17 07:53:11 UTC
You need a minimum of around 450 dps to break a large plex's npc in any decent amount of time. More is better, of course.
Epikurus
TheBlacklist
#25 - 2017-01-17 15:38:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Epikurus
Boozbaz wrote:
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Here's some real advice:
Go stick with a dessie until you have the proper skills to fly a cyclone. Did you just focus all your training into Minmatar BC V and ignored all your support skills and/or missile/drone skills?


Here's some real advice to you buddy: don't assume that I haven't trained the skills up. Stick to the newbie forum if you're going to talk condescendingly to people. I'm at 30 million SP and level 3 mastery with both the cyclone and the hurricane. I can use T2 everything on the ship, without requiring engineering rigs or fittings in the lowslots. Yes my drone skills are up to Par, I can field 5x T2 medium drones - however I use 2 sets of small drones, one set for damage, and one set for EWAR. Thank you very much.

Oh yeah, then you're probably wondering why I use meta 4 mods and T1 stuff on the ship. The answer is simple: When my cyclone blows up, the insurance covers the cost of the ship AND my fittings. All I lose out on in the 15 million isk it takes to get platinum insurance on it. I can lose literally 100 of these things and only lose 150 million isk.

From what I understand, the reason the ships in the large plexes have 300dps tanks, is to deter people from running them in stealth bombers; however, I made this thread specifically to argue that there's a problem when a person shows up in a battlecruiser and can't take the thing out, even with Meta 4 HAM's and a BCU in the low. Think about what you need to take out the NPC ships in all of the other plexes? You don't need T2 stuff or crazy amount of damage. It's only the larges where you run into these issues.


So you think you should be able to farm large plexes for the price of a T2 fit destroyer. There is a pretty obvious reason why you can't.

Also, isn't this in the wrong forum? Surely stabbed plex farming advice belongs in missions and complexes, not warfare and tactics.
Boozbaz
Brutor Clan
#26 - 2017-01-17 19:50:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Boozbaz
It wasn't stabbed and holy smokes the e-peen waving in this thread is becoming atrocious. If you're not going to add something constructive to the discussion, then don't add anything at all.

Here's a quick question:

Did you read the thread accurately?

If you think the ship was stabbed, go back, and read it again. THEN add something CONSTRUCTIVE to the discussion.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#27 - 2017-01-18 08:54:42 UTC
use a fit which gives you 450+ dps and you should be fine. The faster you kill the rat the faster you close the plex. Plexing in a group works too. You don't want to reload three times before that thing is dead.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value

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#28 - 2017-01-19 14:27:08 UTC
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Lena Crews
Cynosural Edge
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#29 - 2017-01-19 15:16:36 UTC
Feels like this is more of an issue with your T1 fit on your BC as opposed to a generic issue with BC in complexes.

For example... with a completely naked Myrmidon using all skills to V and 3 ogre I, 2 hammerhead I... you get 288 dps. Throw on a couple of DDA and you're at 375.

And that's just T1 drones and T1 DDA's. No guns at all.
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#30 - 2017-02-10 08:56:47 UTC
If you want to save money use a cruiser with T2 guns and drones.


Something like this has 500+ DPS while being sub 20mil (you mentioned that you lose 15mil per BC so with insurance this loss should be about the same)

[Rupture, FW plexer]

Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control I
Type-D Restrained Nanofiber Structure

50MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
10MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 150
J5b Enduring Warp Scrambler

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Upgraded 'Malkuth' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile

Medium Projectile Collision Accelerator I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I


Hobgoblin II x5
Zarek Kree
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
WiNGSPAN Delivery Network
#31 - 2017-02-13 21:30:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarek Kree
This has always been my preferred fit for a large plex:

[Catalyst, FW Cat]

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
[Empty Med slot]

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator II
Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints I

It's essentially a gank fit Catalyst with an afterburner. It speed tanks all of the FW plex rats while putting out 612 DPS at all Vs (I get about 550 DPS out of it with my skills - more than enough for the large plex). Cost is about 11M isk.

Only downside is that it's a glass cannon. It'll lose to every PVP ship in the game, but it's small, agile and cheap.
Ne0SHNIK
NISMO RACING
#32 - 2017-02-21 17:51:23 UTC
Q: Why is it that when I go out in a battlecruiser with 263dps, I can't break the tank on the NPC inside the large FW Plexes?
A: Because you don't have enough dps

Q: Why are they so tanky?
A: To make sure that you bring more dps than to a medium plex.

Q: I'm sitting here, in my BATTLECRUISER and it's not able to kill me, and I'm not able to kill it. It's a waste of time. Why is it like this?
A: You can bring a TITAN with 263dps and it still won't be able to kill the NPC in large plexes. You just need a fitting that does more dps. Doesn't matter the ship type.

Q: I can't take my battlecruiser into medium plexes, it seems like battlecruisers are pretty much useless in FW when it comes to plexing unles s you are able to break 300dps.
A: BCs have been nerfed, but most BC fits can do more than 300dps.

Your biggest problem is that you expected to fit a BC in t1 fitting and be able to do large plexes. Now you learned that your expectation is incorrect.
Boozbaz
Brutor Clan
#33 - 2017-02-22 03:09:13 UTC
This is the thread that never dies.
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
#34 - 2017-02-22 12:34:50 UTC
Boozbaz wrote:
This is the thread that never dies.


you bumped it yourself. Lol

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