Warfare & Tactics

260 dps is very poor dps for a Battlecruiser, some frigs can that so its about right that its not enough dps to run larges. What fit are you using?

Here's some real advice:
Go stick with a dessie until you have the proper skills to fly a cyclone. Did you just focus all your training into Minmatar BC V and ignored all your support skills and/or missile/drone skills?

I think he was wondering how you have sub 300 dps in a battlecruiser; I am a 1 mil SP alpha and my gnosis has 306 dps with 0 tech 2 mods and only drones 3 and surgical strike 2. With max alpha skills and tech 2 damage mods it will probably be around 350-375. This is with prototype gaus guns and normal AM ammo at ~15km.

Arcturus Ursidae, it's nice to get a reasonable response from somebody - instead of insulting or condescending responses like above.

In the remaining lowslots:
Missile Guidance Enchancer
Damage Control Unit
Signal Amplifier (faster lock time, harder to use target jamming on me)

I was using Rage missiles, but I could try switching to Mjolnir. I've been told that the navy ships inside FW plexes have flat resistance profiles, so (as far as I know) it shouldn't matter which damage type I am doing to them.

A thrasher can easily hit close to the same DPS of my cylone.

Here's a 6.7 million isk thrasher fit, with T1/Meta 4 modules that deals 219 DPS with my skills

[Thrasher, *Simulated Thrasher]
Gyrostabilizer I


200mm Light 'Scout' Autocannon I
200mm Light 'Scout' Autocannon I
200mm Light 'Scout' Autocannon I
200mm Light 'Scout' Autocannon I
200mm Light 'Scout' Autocannon I
200mm Light 'Scout' Autocannon I
200mm Light 'Scout' Autocannon I




EMP S x840



219 DPS on that cheap thrasher.

Now let's look at this 42.9 million isk Cyclone:

[Cyclone, *ATEST]
[Empty Low slot]
[Empty Low slot]
[Empty Low slot]
[Empty Low slot]
Ballistic Control System I


Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I
[Empty High slot]
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I
[Empty High slot]
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I



Warrior I x5

Scourge Heavy Assault Missile x600


This Cyclone has 263 DPS with my skills. I expected more from 5 HAM launchers. That's a pathetic amount of DPS. If I add 2 more ballistic control units, the DPS reaches 313, just enough to crack the tank on the NPC ships inside large plexes - but at a slow pace of killing them. If I upgrade the drones to Valks, I get 379 DPS, which is a little more respectable and doesn't take so long to kill the battlecruisers in the large plexes.

Still though, a big reason why I fly the Cyclone is because it's versatile, but man - are you seeing my point?
I can cheaply fit a pvp Breacher. with one damage module in the low, and easily clear novice plexes.
I can cheaply fit a pvp Talwar, with one damage module in the low, and easily clear small plexes.
I can cheaply fit a pvp Rupture, with one damage module in the low, and clear medium plexes.
but a cheaply fit pvp Cyclone, with one damage module in the low, cannot clear large plexes. THIS IS THE INCONSISTENCY that I'm pointing out. If any of these insulting people can give me a valid and logial reasoning as to why this is the way that it is, I'd be happy to take the answer. But so far it seems like people are quick to jump to conclusions that I'm either A) Unskilled in flying battlecruisers, B) Farming LP, or C) that I'm a "sh!thead"

i'm no expert but i don't get why you're trying to compare artillery vs missiles, they're different and thus have different pros and cons.

thrasher is different than cyclone too, you can fit 3 damage mods to a cyclone while you literally can't in a thrasher.

Please be respectful if you want to participate on the forums. I have removed a disrespectful post.

I tested this a number of times on minmatar plex rats and i didint see a difference between explosive or any other damage types. Im not saying that this is not true, all im saying is my jackdaw was hitting them for the same damage no matter what ammo type was loaded.

Maybe they changed it at one point.

Specifically to kill the BS, you don't need a guidance enhancer, and you don't need faster lock time. Medium weapons will hit a BS hull just fine. Lock time will be just fine.

Shahs fit should be a noticeable improvement, I'd probly switch his Cap Booster for a web or point... just in case stuff happens.

Kind of a side point.:

I never liked the change to the Cyclone, when they changed it to a missile boat.
Even less DPS than a Drake, it felt like a wasted hull at that point.

Shoulda left it as it was.