EVE General Discussion

It's going to double your travelling time, as you want to check each gate in dangerous zones, or everywhere if you're war-decced. But nobody does this logging out logging in with a scout on the same account, so you're just arguing this stupid hypothesis to try and prove you can play this game with a single account - when you play with 3! - or with friends who will scout for you whenever you wish, which is pure fantasy.

Then you say "hurf I'm not going to scout in an inty or a cloaky teehee", as if people scouted with scouting ships when they travel with other scouting ships...

But this is not even the real issue. The problem with spawn camping is that it provides risk-free instant wins, in a game that flaunts "hurr harsh consequences"
How is it risk-free? secondary accounts ^^


ITT: online sociopaths trying to rationalize their online sociopathy with all the might of their sub-80 IQ... like they've been for years. You creatures are beyond hope, let's hope CCP sells this "game", so you stop being enabled in your impotent fantasies :^)

Ahem...I have done this ( self-scouting with one account) before I decided to sub a second account. However, I only did this when I felt that the effort required was worth it. That's the point, it was a judgment call on my part as to how much time/ effort I was willing to invest versus how safe I wanted to be. That in a nutshell is Eve. My choices, my effort, my reward against other players choices, effort, reward.

Oh, and when I have asked a friend to scout for me (rare that I ask, but it has happened) they have never said no. They know damn well I would do it for them. It's what friendship in Eve is about, working together.




Gate camping is not risk free. I've lost ships while camping....I've also killed ships that were camping. Busting up camps is fun, and (used to be) pretty common. Granted I've not done much camping lately, so perhaps camp-busting is not as common as it used to be, but back in the day gate camps were a prime target for roaming gangs, and made for interesting fights.

Secondary accounts can be used to make camping safer for sure. But then secondary accounts can be used to make just about any activity in Eve safer.

As others have pointed out, Eve is a game that places considerable emphasis on an individuals ability to make informed decisions. Balancing risk / effort / time / reward is a personal choice. How "good" a player is at making those choices will largely decide how "successful" they are at extracting enjoyment from whatever aspect of the game they are pursuing.

For my part, this is one of the main features I love about Eve, I am only as good at the game as I am willing to be at any given time. If I get caught by a camp it's because I decided that the effort required to ensure that I wasn't was more than I was prepared to take in that instance. Stupid choice?...perhaps, but I consider that to be subjective. As long as I'm ok with the loss, and not particularly annoyed at myself, then I couldn't care less what anyone else thinks of me. My game, my choice, my reward etc.
I would not attempt to blame the campers or the mechanics for any ship loss. I get outplayed= GF in local. Someone else put in more effort than me and won, who'd of thought it




I'm not a shrink....but some of the nicest, friendliest and most welcoming people I've ever met on-line were those I met in Low-sec, most of them camped gates from time to time. Are these people really sociopaths? never had a bad word from any of them.


On another note. Not sure who started the whole "fun vampire" thing....but seriously, that's probably the dumbest thing I've seen on these boards recently. Taking part in a good gate-camp is fun. The voice chat is usually a hoot. Not unheard of for the camp to be set up for the sole purpose of having a drinking game....which makes the camp decidedly more dangerous for the campers as the game progresses.
Hell, quite a few of the people I've killed in a camp ended up getting recruited and becoming good friends, which added to the fun for everyone.

In the single server, continuous system of EVE, everything you do, is of detriment and/or advantage to every other player.

Every action by you, or lack of it, affects everyone else.
Just as you too, are affected by every in/action by everyone else.

In EVE, we call "fun-vampires", which tbh is a SJW term to begin with, as "Salt miners".

These players want you to cry, rage, complain, whine.
That is how they operate, invest, and spend time in this game.

The solution? Very simple.
Dont give them what they want, and dont make mistakes to end up in that situation.
Avoid them by precuations, and do not cry, rage, complain, or whine to them, whereby their effort will have been wasted, for no salty reward.

It. Is. That. Simple.

It is, and there's nothing wrong with that; in fact it's considered to be a mainstay of the game.

I see what you did there.

Exactly. And if you are good natured about it when talking to those who killed your ship (in LS you should rarely lose a pod as they enter warp so damn fast), you might make new friends. And you could end camping with them. And by doing that learn about gate camps....and how to better beat them. If you are a freighter pilot and want to learn how to better avoid a gank I would recommend getting in a few gank fleets so you can see how it works so you can better avoid them. Coming and whining on the forums on the other hand is just going to end in a stream of mockery.

Apparently now Hi-sec gate camps are a thing...

Had to log cause Frarn gate to Rens is camped and Concorde is unable to do anything about it.
I made it back to my Frarn station before losing ship this time...was popped on gate 2 systems away earlier in 1.0 space in my brutix by camp.

Absolutely NO reason to log into game. I am in a small corp with my son who I just got playing and we enjoy hi-sec missioning.
If the game is going to be this ridiculous then there is no reason to risk isk buying ship that are going to be popped....that puts anything more than a T1 out of the question and no more reason to buy plex. Yes I buy lots of plex because I work full time and have a family. But this? Absolutely ridiculous.

This needs to be saved for low an null. If you want to provide no sanctuary for non-pvpers to play the gam then reap the whirlwind. You morons are destroying your own game.

You were killed in a war.

What were you doing flying a Brutix into your wartargets if you didn't want to get killed?

Simply drop to an NPC Corp and continue as normal. If you and your son are in the same Corp, then both drop and reform a new Corp if you think you need a Corp to do what you are doing (eg. can be good for tax purposes).

There's really no need to die in a wardec.

There are only 2 of us in my corp...I was not wardec'ced unless it just happened because I put bounties on 5 of their heads.
Let me repeat...I WAS NOT at war!

I was flying my Brutix cause I was farming Guardian's Gala spots and wanted something just in case my container was robbed.

The API begs to differ.

You currently have 2 active wars, both of which started in the last couple of days.