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Miner Extortion by Gankers

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Caldari State
#21 - 2017-01-31 21:26:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Clockwork Robot
Look. As I said before, I have logged in and chatted with the CODE folks. I find nothing wrong with them on a personal level. And I play Eve so little that their actions in game don't really have any effect on me there either. But at the end of the day... We all know that the whole "Make Hi-Sec great again" schtick is just RP. CODE is not out to make EVE better, not really.

They're there to have fun. Their fun in this instance is annoying people, and suicide ganking. It really, truly is that simple.

Buying a permit does not protect you from being ganked.
Being "compliant" does not protect you from being ganked.
Tanking your skiff does not protect you from being ganked.
Hiring bodyguards does not protect you from being ganked.

Nothing prevents a gank that the ganker has decided will happen.
Nothing.

Just like someone who wants to steal your car, break into your home, or kill you... If somebody wants to interact with you in this game in a violent fashion, then they will figure out a way to do it. You will lose your ship. You quite likely will lose your pod as well.
You cannot prevent this by word, deed, creed, allegiance, ISK/hour, territory conquered, DDOS, TiDi, Russians, WiS, monocle, or any in game mechanic.

All you can do is account for it. Plan for it. Adjust yourself emotionally and mentally for it. Have fun with it. Expect it. Laugh about it. Learn from it. Re-ship yourself and carry on.

Don't pay money to not be blown up to people known to smile at blowing up things. Dont jump into TeamSpeak with people known to record their attempts to spin you up and post it online. Dont be AFK.

And relax. It's a game.
Caldari State
#22 - 2017-01-31 21:31:02 UTC
Bing Bangboom wrote:
Actually, the OP is not a troll.

He just figured out yesterday that my wardec on his corporation is a rather large inconvenience.

I've offered to drop the war in exchange for the purchase of permits for the entire corporation and a promise to follow The Code but apparently he has "principles" so he'd rather do things the hard way. Its a crisis of corp leadership I tell you!

Feel free to adjust your remarks to the fact that he means what he says.



Going to disagree with you, Bing. OP gives themselves away as CODE by capitalizing "Permit".
That's the trouble with pulling double RP duty. Personas get crossed.
#23 - 2017-01-31 21:53:49 UTC
Clockwork Robot wrote:
Just like someone who wants to steal your car, break into your home, or kill you... If somebody wants to interact with you in this game in a violent fashion, then they will figure out a way to do it. You will lose your ship. You quite likely will lose your pod as well.
You cannot prevent this by word, deed, creed, allegiance, ISK/hour, territory conquered, DDOS, TiDi, Russians, WiS, monocle, or any in game mechanic.

Other than D-scan and watching Local (part of Code compliance, most of which is good advice whether you like them or not.)
Quote:
Going to disagree with you, Bing. OP gives themselves away as CODE by capitalizing "Permit".

OP capitalises most of their nouns, a common mistake.
#24 - 2017-01-31 22:11:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Bing Bangboom
Clockwork Robot wrote:
Look. As I said before, I have logged in and chatted with the CODE folks. I find nothing wrong with them on a personal level. And I play Eve so little that their actions in game don't really have any effect on me there either. But at the end of the day... We all know that the whole "Make Hi-Sec great again" schtick is just RP. CODE is not out to make EVE better, not really.

They're there to have fun. Their fun in this instance is annoying people, and suicide ganking. It really, truly is that simple.

Buying a permit does not protect you from being ganked.
Being "compliant" does not protect you from being ganked.
Tanking your skiff does not protect you from being ganked.
Hiring bodyguards does not protect you from being ganked.

Nothing prevents a gank that the ganker has decided will happen.
Nothing.

Just like someone who wants to steal your car, break into your home, or kill you... If somebody wants to interact with you in this game in a violent fashion, then they will figure out a way to do it. You will lose your ship. You quite likely will lose your pod as well.
You cannot prevent this by word, deed, creed, allegiance, ISK/hour, territory conquered, DDOS, TiDi, Russians, WiS, monocle, or any in game mechanic.

All you can do is account for it. Plan for it. Adjust yourself emotionally and mentally for it. Have fun with it. Expect it. Laugh about it. Learn from it. Re-ship yourself and carry on.

Don't pay money to not be blown up to people known to smile at blowing up things. Dont jump into TeamSpeak with people known to record their attempts to spin you up and post it online. Dont be AFK.

And relax. It's a game.


In other words, "CODE. always wins".

Could have saved a lot of typing if you started (and ended) with that.

Now, I don't care if you want to believe the OP is a troll but a simple look at zkillboard will show that I'm at war with his corporation. Of course, it could all be an elaborate hoax to create authenticity for a forum post that a couple hundred people at most are going to read... THAT'S DEDICATION!

Highsec is worth fighting for.

By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.  www.minerbumping.com

Caldari State
#25 - 2017-01-31 22:35:12 UTC
Bing Bangboom wrote:
Clockwork Robot wrote:
Look. As I said before, I have logged in and chatted with the CODE folks. I find nothing wrong with them on a personal level. And I play Eve so little that their actions in game don't really have any effect on me there either. But at the end of the day... We all know that the whole "Make Hi-Sec great again" schtick is just RP. CODE is not out to make EVE better, not really.

They're there to have fun. Their fun in this instance is annoying people, and suicide ganking. It really, truly is that simple.

Buying a permit does not protect you from being ganked.
Being "compliant" does not protect you from being ganked.
Tanking your skiff does not protect you from being ganked.
Hiring bodyguards does not protect you from being ganked.

Nothing prevents a gank that the ganker has decided will happen.
Nothing.

Just like someone who wants to steal your car, break into your home, or kill you... If somebody wants to interact with you in this game in a violent fashion, then they will figure out a way to do it. You will lose your ship. You quite likely will lose your pod as well.
You cannot prevent this by word, deed, creed, allegiance, ISK/hour, territory conquered, DDOS, TiDi, Russians, WiS, monocle, or any in game mechanic.

All you can do is account for it. Plan for it. Adjust yourself emotionally and mentally for it. Have fun with it. Expect it. Laugh about it. Learn from it. Re-ship yourself and carry on.

Don't pay money to not be blown up to people known to smile at blowing up things. Dont jump into TeamSpeak with people known to record their attempts to spin you up and post it online. Dont be AFK.

And relax. It's a game.


In other words, "CODE. always wins".

Could have saved a lot of typing if you started (and ended) with that.

Now, I don't care if you want to believe the OP is a troll but a simple look at zkillboard will show that I'm at war with his corporation. Of course, it could all be an elaborate hoax to create authenticity for a forum post that a couple hundred people at most are going to read... THAT'S DEDICATION!


In other words, "I agree".

Could have saved a lot of typing if you started (and ended) with that.

Cool
#26 - 2017-02-01 13:46:49 UTC
This thread delivers
OP, welcome to EVE
also, HTFU

:)

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Amarr Empire
#27 - 2017-02-01 15:28:53 UTC  |  Edited by: virm pasuul
Clockwork Robot wrote:


Buying a permit does not protect you from being ganked.
Being "compliant" does not protect you from being ganked.
Tanking your skiff does not protect you from being ganked.
Hiring bodyguards does not protect you from being ganked.

Nothing prevents a gank that the ganker has decided will happen.
Nothing.



Not true at all. Having a permit and being code compliant makes a huge difference.
One thing missing from your list that may explain your problem:
Having a good attitude. CODE is a litmus test, a bad attitude is an automatic fail of the test.
Caldari State
#28 - 2017-02-01 15:53:12 UTC
virm pasuul wrote:
Clockwork Robot wrote:


Buying a permit does not protect you from being ganked.
Being "compliant" does not protect you from being ganked.
Tanking your skiff does not protect you from being ganked.
Hiring bodyguards does not protect you from being ganked.

Nothing prevents a gank that the ganker has decided will happen.
Nothing.



Not true at all. Having a permit and being code compliant makes a huge difference.
One thing missing from your list that may explain your problem:
Having a good attitude. CODE is a litmus test, a bad attitude is an automatic fail of the test.



I like your interaction. A few items though:

It's not "my" problem... I stated earlier back that I had yet to dabble in playing EVE seriously, and that logging in and chatting with CODE was an agreeable experience. So... I have no problems. Big smile

And no friend... I don't believe CODE permission nor compliance affects someones decision to gank you one way or the other. The document in question was (obviously) written such that "compliance" is (obviously) in the eye of the ganker/beholder, and can be revoked for any and every reason.

I haven't any reason to fault CODEs pilots for playing their way, and they're obviously intelligent people. But really... the RP rhetoric is wasted on me my friend.
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2017-02-01 16:08:57 UTC
Clockwork Robot wrote:

And no friend... I don't believe CODE permission nor compliance affects someones decision to gank you one way or the other.

You are incorrect in your beliefs on this. It has a very significant impact on enforcement action selections.
Compliance, a permit, and a good attitude will go a long way towards an enjoyable experience with CODE agents who do an often thankless job for the greater good in a very professional manner.



Caldari State
#30 - 2017-02-01 16:23:45 UTC
Vito Molari wrote:
Clockwork Robot wrote:

And no friend... I don't believe CODE permission nor compliance affects someones decision to gank you one way or the other.

You are incorrect in your beliefs on this. It has a very significant impact on enforcement action selections.
Compliance, a permit, and a good attitude will go a long way towards an enjoyable experience with CODE agents who do an often thankless job for the greater good in a very professional manner.



Roll
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2017-02-01 17:40:58 UTC
SEE below...

kiss kiss bang bang

#32 - 2017-02-01 18:13:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Bing Bangboom
In an exciting but not surprising update to the original post, rejoicing has broken out across all of highsec as the OP, last night, purchased mining permits for his entire corporation and has pledged his support for James 315, the Savior of Highsec, and the New Order.

It only took four days for him to realize the overwhelming reasonableness, logic and virtue (and firepower) of the Code and its humble Agents.

A quick look at his bio will show the permit and his support in our ongoing war to wipe out botting and bot aspirancy across all of highsec. His rapid progression from being a bot aspirant to being a good highsec citizen should be an inspiration to everyone, including and especially those nay-sayers in this thread.

Victory to the New Order of Highsec!!

Highsec is worth fighting for.

By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.  www.minerbumping.com

#33 - 2017-02-01 20:55:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Clockwork Robot wrote:

Buying a permit does not protect you from being ganked.
True enough, if CODE. don't gank you, someone else might.

Quote:
Being "compliant" does not protect you from being ganked.
Some forms of compliance give you an advantage over non compliant miners, they're more likely to die because the complaint miner is either absent by the time the gankers turn up, or in a ship that packs more tank than the other potential targets available.

Quote:
Tanking your skiff does not protect you from being ganked.
It makes you a less desirable kill, killing a Skiff, or a Procurer, is often not a worthy investment of man hours when there's multiple Retrievers, Mackinaws, Hulks and Coveters to kill (why do people still use the latter two solo?).
Quote:
Hiring bodyguards does not protect you from being ganked.
Finding bodyguards to hire is the major pitfall of this approach, there's only one thing more boring than mining, and that's guarding miners. On the other hand, a ball of Skiffs and Procurers with drones out will make 99.999% of all gankers think twice and look elsewhere for their next target.

Quote:
Nothing prevents a gank that the ganker has decided will happen.
Nothing.

The trick is to make the ganker decide not to gank you.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Amarr Empire
#34 - 2017-02-01 21:08:00 UTC
Bing Bangboom wrote:
In an exciting but not surprising update to the original post, rejoicing has broken out across all of highsec as the OP, last night, purchased mining permits for his entire corporation and has pledged his support for James 315, the Savior of Highsec, and the New Order.

It only took four days for him to realize the overwhelming reasonableness, logic and virtue (and firepower) of the Code and its humble Agents.

A quick look at his bio will show the permit and his support in our ongoing war to wipe out botting and bot aspirancy across all of highsec. His rapid progression from being a bot aspirant to being a good highsec citizen should be an inspiration to everyone, including and especially those nay-sayers in this thread.

Victory to the New Order of Highsec!!


CODE always wins, always.
Caldari State
#35 - 2017-02-01 22:18:02 UTC
Bing Bangboom wrote:
Clockwork Robot wrote:
Look. As I said before, I have logged in and chatted with the CODE folks. I find nothing wrong with them on a personal level. And I play Eve so little that their actions in game don't really have any effect on me there either. But at the end of the day... We all know that the whole "Make Hi-Sec great again" schtick is just RP. CODE is not out to make EVE better, not really.

They're there to have fun. Their fun in this instance is annoying people, and suicide ganking. It really, truly is that simple.

Buying a permit does not protect you from being ganked.
Being "compliant" does not protect you from being ganked.
Tanking your skiff does not protect you from being ganked.
Hiring bodyguards does not protect you from being ganked.

Nothing prevents a gank that the ganker has decided will happen.
Nothing.

Just like someone who wants to steal your car, break into your home, or kill you... If somebody wants to interact with you in this game in a violent fashion, then they will figure out a way to do it. You will lose your ship. You quite likely will lose your pod as well.
You cannot prevent this by word, deed, creed, allegiance, ISK/hour, territory conquered, DDOS, TiDi, Russians, WiS, monocle, or any in game mechanic.

All you can do is account for it. Plan for it. Adjust yourself emotionally and mentally for it. Have fun with it. Expect it. Laugh about it. Learn from it. Re-ship yourself and carry on.

Don't pay money to not be blown up to people known to smile at blowing up things. Dont jump into TeamSpeak with people known to record their attempts to spin you up and post it online. Dont be AFK.

And relax. It's a game.


In other words, "James315 always wins".

Could have saved a lot of typing if you started (and ended) with that.

Now, I don't care if you want to believe the OP is a troll but a simple look at zkillboard will show that I'm at war with his corporation. Of course, it could all be an elaborate hoax to create authenticity for a forum post that a couple hundred people at most are going to read... THAT'S DEDICATION!


I fixed that for you.

Historically cult leaders have always viewed their adherents with contempt and I see no reason why James315 should be any different.

So Bing Bangboom you gave James315 2 billion isk this month. He must be laughing his socks off.

Tbh I'm laughing my socks off too Big smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smile
#36 - 2017-02-01 22:56:31 UTC
oh Zaza, when will you learn that you'll never win the argument
everything has already been said..
Praise James!

Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester.

Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER

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Caldari State
#37 - 2017-02-01 23:39:53 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
oh Zaza, when will you learn that you'll never win the argument
everything has already been said..
Praise James!


ahhhh it's Dom 'deluded' Arkaral

I laugh at you most of all Big smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smile
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2017-02-02 00:32:47 UTC
See below

kiss kiss bang bang

#39 - 2017-02-02 03:20:02 UTC
Zaha Koto wrote:
banter

if that makes you happy lmao

you seek to find some comfort in trying to insult people, that makes me sad for you
RP is too much for you to handle apparently Lol

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Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER

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CCL Loyalist

Gallente Federation
#40 - 2017-02-02 05:34:12 UTC
I was worried that C&P had changed in my time gone. This thread makes me feel right at home.

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