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Sounds to me like Hardknocks eviction fleets will be totaly protected now well done ccp..(a subsidury of hardknock owneswormeholes plc)

Except for those very few people who used the defenders as they were. Their tools are now gone.

Can these missiles please have the intelligence to understand what kind of module they are in and behave as normal defenders when in a normal launcher and as bomb killers when in the new launcher?

There go's my defending gila fit. What do you do about missile fit ship's now. Can't hit missiles now and I don't fly in Null sec to fight Stealth Bombers.
Bombs were heavily tanked as it was already. Now we have to have someone who don't need much skill to kill bombs? Great idea. Now I'll really put away any thought of ever flying a Stealth Bomber.
I'll keep my PvP fit Gila for sites tho. Just have to give up the idea that another Missile fit ship can be avoided in a fight.


Another bad idea I think, But hey. We are all full of ideas these day's.

DIDO, This should be a Battleship Module. And there should be a skill to shorten the cycle time.

Just to play Devil's Advocate:

T1 bombs, 3 of, incoming. That's your drones & frigates going pop on wave 1. Pods go on wave 2 ( all those expensive implants ). Possibly dessies too.

T4 bombs kill battleships ( focused ), or can blap cruisers & dessies en-masse ( using non-focused bombs ) if done in waves.


Bombs are some scary shiznit.


I'd love to see more bombs going on. 3-4 Suicide Bombers could pop a fleet of 40-odd Frigates if well placed ( including those expensive pods that no-one insures ). And all it takes is a small wing of 3-4 Bombers getting the surprise factor with some general Voids ( not focused ).


So how do you guard against that?


You can make fun little Cloaky Destroyers, so Defender Missiles could be used by fleets ( including Bomber's Bar themselves ).


Indeed.


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It's all fun & games until no-one can afford to fly in the fun stuff anymore. That's still my main fear. I don't mind paying a subscription, or buying the odd top-up PLEX once every couple of months; but if you need mega-deep pockets to even get into a T2 then something is wrong.

Business is business, so let the Rich kids pay for T3 ;)

i would much rather AFs be given a good place in eve not just some gimmick tacked onto them so they are a one trick pony

Can anybody explain me why defence against missiles was removed completly? I was waiting for this patch to see them buffed and they removed it?

Agreed. AF's are currently expensive & pointless. In a Frigate you're gonna get blapped, so why spend nearly 45m etc on something so limited?

Giving AF's a 'launcher upgrade' might actually bring them back into play. They could be the Y-Wing of EVE. An old & chunky doo-dah etc. I get the need for a Heavy Strike Frigate with a hugely-adaptable chassis, but Bombers are so good you just don't need AF's at this stage.

I've had 'em queued for ages, and something better always comes along. That's not a good sign really.



Afterthought: If they kept their guns 'n' ammo as is, and were able to fit Cov Ops cloaks, then that would do it too. A chassis that adaptable is wasted without a little 'something special'. Low Power slots & a bit of tank just aren't that useful compared to ( see below ).

- They've got the resists of a Dessie, and are 25x more pricey. That alone makes them pointless in most Fleet Actions.

- Bombers pack more punch. 2 less slots for A LOT more blap. Bombers are less robust, but have Cov Ops to add 'durability'. So Bombers win here, even though they are weaker on small targets.

- Interceptors are less robust, a little faster, less versatile, but generally more affordable than AF's. And they can hit small targets ( like Bombers for example ).


Yeah, spot the problem.


Adding Cov Ops AND Defender Missile capabilities might just fix teh AF.

Bombing runs take planning, coordination, and skill. When they work out they are some of the most spectacular events in eve and make for great video. You at CCP even used bombers bar video in your "This is EVE" promo two years back.
but now...well. Think about it this way.

You now have a mechanism where a paying player of skill and experience has his entire ship's attack completely negated
by a Free to Play player WITHOUT ANY PLAYER INPUT WHATSOEVER USING A SINGLE MODULE.

what's next? how about a doomsday eliminator module mounted on an imicus.
or a decloaking sphere only usable on noob-ships.

if you want to get rid of stealth bombers, get rid of them. You can do that.
Don't, however leave them in game to be nullified by Alpha clones.
because that makes us PAYING customers just a little pissed off.

Yeah... No.

Assault Frigates are just as capable as they used to be. The issue lies in the recent additions around them, T3Ds and Command Destroyers. I fail to see your logic in retasking an Assault Frigate to a defensive role.



Your inability to co-ordinate with FCs to ensure a fight takes place on a pre-prepared battlefield isn't a nerf to bombing. That said, there are numerous static locations where fights will take place at predictable times, and that number is growing each day. Try adapating instead of bemoaning changes to the game, because we all know how much sympathy that gets you. You're living in a target rich environment, do something with it.



Not really. For a start, pressing a button is what is known as player input. Then there's the random nature of their targeting, meaning that at least some bombs will get through. That's without accounting for the two minute reactivation delay, a poorly co-ordinated anti-bombing squad can easily be negated with feints. Finally, how is this any less of an annoyance when activated by a paying customer? Grow up.