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Buddy, i did read the list. Im currently sitting in the process of planing how exactly i will abuse the system as hard as possibile because CCP does seem to close their eyes upon this.


as a pure industrialist id tell you, its not enough with 1 alpha char, its easy with 2 alpha accounts tho. You realise you can copy/research and manufacture a VERY large range of products? The only limitation is T2 Production

More alpha accounts = more profit. Id say a max. of 2 Accs which i wouldve to login 1-2 twice a month would already earn a plex.

You can produce at the same cost as omegas, just sit down for a second, drink a tea and think of it.

And now answer me, why would you produce, research or copy something on an Omega Account if its possibile on an Alpha Account?


The range of products they can manufacture is HUGE. The range of BPOs they can RESEARCH and COPY? ALL. I didnt find a BPO which an alpha account cant research and copy. Even if there are a few, well, they are only a few.


Erebus, Copy? Alpha Account.
Erebus Research? Alpha Account.


Even if youre a pure T2 Industrialist, youd still need copys to invent from. Guess what - its cheaper if you create alpha accounts to do so.. <_<

Its the very first time since i ever heard of eve that i sincerly think CCP is doing a huge mistake. This really has to be brought to CCPs attention

Don't think production is a problem at all ...copy/research was never a bottleneck, and (T1) production needs minerals to produce from and a buyer. The market will have the final word on profitability as production is no ISK faucet, but an ISK sink (fees, taxes).

I have taken my time before posting my thoughts on Alpha clones. 1st of I am a player who has run 8+ accounts at one time and currently have over 100m sp, without any assistance macro’s etc.. from personal experience you can run upto about 3 effectively in pvp or pve (wormholes etc), maybe 4 if you had something like a falcon on standby. When mining you can increases as much as like provided you can keep up with all the clicking & hualing. (with rocks in hs that takes about 10 mining toons + 1 boaster + and maybe 1-2 hauler(s)… and that’s fairly well the limit. And that’s pushing it.
So basicly (it’s hard to run more than 4 accounts unless you’re doing mining or transport activities).

With that being said two big issues that concern me about alpha accounts

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A)
The ability to upgrade to plex’s within a reasonable amount of playtime when maxed alpha cones.
I don’t see many good methods for these players to earn isk if they so desired. For example you can prob run up to level 3 missions, class 2 wormholes if you multibox (if you even can). You would be locked out of incursions due to fleet requirements. And you are locked out of anything near effective mining. While the frigates aren’t horrid... They are still slow and work best for gas harvesting (which is blocked) so besides nulsec or DED site rats? Which would be hard to kill? How are you going to gain isk?

With these limitations it is extremely hard to scale alpha clones. Which is fine. However it’s also extremely hard to get out of that stats without playing (20 to 40)+ hr/week maybe more depending on luck just to try plexing not counting ships etc.
My concern here is that an established player might not want to spend that long to try get back to an omega clone so he can get back to a lot of the content he would normally do. This could detract from people trying to resub into the game. After all a to CCP a plex earns them more money than a sub. Regardless of how you scale it (without specials running); moreover, the challenge of re-plexing could detract from people sticking to the game even if it’s now f2p.

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B)
On the flip side as many have raised is the concern of Suicide ganks in highsec increasing. The more alpha accounts you can have logged in the less people you need to pull off a gank (provided they are able to run mutable clients). As well as making massive alt farms etc.

the limits to skills and the extreme truncation of industrial activities to basically ineffective mining and ineffective t1 ship construction. I don’t see a reason to try scaling this. again ganking could be an issue but from personal experience its hard to manage over 3 accounts in pvp situations ganking you can increase that a bit but still have a very small time window to pull it off.

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My personal recommendation would be to allow a player to have around 3 maybe 4 alpha accounts logged in at one time. While this would make ganking potentially easier, it would give never players the opportunity to earn isk if they are willing to work for it, and let them upgrade or re-upgrade to omega accounts

Another thought would be that if an account had an omega stats before (IE they have paid) maybe allow for more than 1 or two alphas to be logged in? And increases it to 3-5 range. As a reward for being a responsible player.

Another though is I have seen some people say that if your sec status is to low disable red actions. This might seem to be an effective counter; however, what would stop someone from making their 155th account? I think that it would be rather pointless

I wrote this more highlight it from an experienced player's point of view who is returning to the game after a brake since they can now "play for free" vs's a brand new player (I did say with max sp aplha's) and that this may reduce retention of these players and primarily those who have played for a lot before if it's hard extremely hard for them to break into that re-entry barrier they may just walk away again instead of getting involved back in the game. and I do agree that plexing is not a right. although i do believe tho it should be reasonable attainable.

Question:
1 - I know alpha clones cannot train PI skills, but with 0 skills an alpha can set up a single colony without the capability to scan for deposits yes? Literally if i created a brand new alt i could drop a CC on a planet right after i found a ship with 1k cargo which is why with consolidation V you can run 6 colonies. Will alphas still be able to do this?

2. If a subbed account lapses to Alpha status, and has existing colonies, are these colonies locked out? Or are they just no longer able to edit the lines or continue upgrading them but they function as setup? In addition to no longer having access to scans of deposits.

So this might be a little late but I started playing around with the alpha clone skills and noticed a huge gapping hole in the caldari skillset in the form of capacitor emission systems lvl 1.

While I imagine the reason for not having it is due to energy neutralizers and nos, it basically means for the most part the common cap transfer osprey is unfitable. This is extra weird to me because all the other factions gain access to this skill even when its not a mandatory part of their faction logistics.

Please allow caldari alpha's the ability to train Capacitor emissions systems to at least one so they can get cap transfers for the osprey. Otherwise they might as well not even be able to fly the ship.

Unless you plan on breaking the EULA most of this won't work since you can't log an alpha account in alongside another account, alpha or omega.

Any method of bypassing the login restrictions is an EULA breach. You are just gambling that CCP won't work it out.

For reference:


For the actual EULA change see here.

Also I wouldn't chance it personally since there is no language in the EULA stating any part of the agreement is invalidated by moving to another machine.

Thank you!
You just saved me from making a big mistake, much appreciated. Alpha account can not be logged in with a paid account or other alpha account. The banhammer would have hurt.