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At first i was a bit angry, that ccp removed the front end login. But i was still using the old launcher, which sucked to be honest.

But i gave the New Launcher a try and i have to say i like it. Didn't know it is possible to log in all account at once!!!!
I really like the change.

Where, exactly, have you got 10% from? CCP have metrics on what people are using. The number they're getting is, to their mind, not worth the extra time and money supporting.

TL;DR - not liking stats out of the ordinary? Just want to have your EvE related fix? Scroll to the bottom past the line.

Do you even context?
I never said 10% of the playerbase. I said a figure that is less than 1 in 10 (which means less than 10%) of OVERALL average operating system use world wide, which has nothing to do with the metrics for gamers or a specific game after all.

No, one in ten is never many. It's a few. Nobody would ever say to a group of 10 people in a crowd of 100 "many". Colloquially, I've seen the term "many" used with an approximation to 50% or above, paired up there with "lots", although lots usually inclines more. "one in ten" is some. Or few. You have to put it in perspective. 100.000 people sounds like many, but 100.000 people compared to one million people is not many. Keep the relation.

Still you have not provided any reasonable metrics to back up your assumption. But I can. CCP related metrics only? Scroll down again past the line.
On other fronts, let me help you out there. It doesn't even take much work you know. This flimsy research took me just a few minutes, much less time than writing this post and compiling the numbers over.

netmarketshare.com for August 2016, world wide: 9.36% WinXP , 1.5% Vista, 6.79% MacOS X (EvE supported), ~0.6% MacOS X (EvE unsupported), 2.11% Linux.
gs.statcounter.com for July 2016, world wide: 6.36% WinXP, 9.61% MacOS X, Vista and Linux probably somewhere in the 5.16% "other"
analytics.wikimedia.org for recent date 2016 (if we double all operating system percentages because I'm nice and say half of the stats are from mobile, thus irrelevant): WinXP 4%, Vista 1%, MacOS 11%, Linux 1,4%
AV-comparatives.org small 14-day sample of 2022 users in December 2015: 2.7% WinXP, 0.8% Vista, 2.7% MacOS, and Linux was somewhere in the 2.5% mark.
Steam Hardware Survey August 2016: 1.56% WinXP, Vista 0.24% , MacOS X 3.34% , Linux 0.83%

These are various sample sizes and demographics but you can see clearly where I got the "almost 1 in 10" as best case scenario for Windows XP. It dwindles massively from then on as the highest WinXP numbers are from globalized data.
Since statcounter has such a nice filter option, I could peek at official language breakdowns and check the individual countries but some have two official languages which makes comparisons go funky.
I'll break it down by certain "regional biggies" which I guess are okay to compare, also in accordance to eve online language subforums. All the data is July 2016.

Europe: WinXP 5.81%, MacOS X 10.53%, Linux 2.12
North America: WinXP 3.32%, MacOS X 16.82%
Oceania: WinXP 2.32%, Vista 1.47%, MacOS X 21.72%
Japan: WinXP 2.53%, Vista 2.85%, MacOS X 16.31%,
Russia: WinXP 9.35%, MacOS X 5.1%

There you go, some demographics for you without even asking or touching CCP's own surveys. These numbers are collected from everywhere and everyone, not just gamers.
If you go to any site which is more gaming related in content which has a survey, the numbers for Windows XP are similar to the Steam Survey.

Admittedly I have no idea why the minimum system requirements for MacOS are so tight to be 10.9+ which is only from 2013 but then again it seems you can upgrade free from the version that came out in 2007 or so. Which is still a ways away from Windows XP 2001.

I don't know how many maintain the Linux or mac client. I don't know how difficult it is through Linux and MacOS distributions to keep everything compatible and running with EvE. I do know there are grave differences between WinXP <--> Vista & Win7 <--> 8 & 8.1 & 10. Albeit Win10 is technically 8.2 with a lot of special snowflakyness... let's just not go there.
Let's also not touch the DirectX debate, especially when we have to consider other APIs like Vulkan / OpenGL and Metal.



But what's that, you don't care about all this? ...only about what CCP says?
You are hereby served:
"Many", huh? Nowhere near. Please do yourself some service and consider backing up your claims before you make yourself look like a total fool. Mind you, these numbers seem to be from a Windows total perspective, not taking Linux and mac into account. Else these numbers would look even worse.

Wanting to know what CCP's stance on Vulkan is if you think the Windows train should die in a fire?
Served again:


Forum search man. With filters. Powerful tool.

We haven't changed our minds, the ticket/work that will cause the old Launcher to stop working is about 4/9th done. The new Launcher doesn't support Windows XP so you won't be able to update or log in.

We are not going to re-evaluate our decision to stop Windows XP. When we decided to revamp the launcher in mid-2015 then we looked around for frameworks to write it in that would support Windows and Mac. We settled on Qt, and it doesn't support Windows XP. We looked at our metrics and based on the trend decided that time had come for Windows XP (and Windows Vista). The usage had become small, was becoming smaller and we couldn't justify using a subpar framework for our purposes nor the continued overhead of testing on XP and Vista.

I know that there are people who still use Windows XP and many more who remember it fondly (in particular SP2+). Unlike Windows Vista that nobody liked nor Windows 8. But since Windows XP there have been Windows 7, 8.1 and now 10 that have seen great adoption. Personally I really liked Windows 8 because of features like Storage Spaces and the Start Button was quickly replaced by 3rd party software and then 8.1.

The time has passed for Windows XP. We should remember it, but we should stop using it.

No offence but 0.8% we really don't care about you if your sole goal is to hold the rest of us back.

Thank you, CCP.

Now I can't launch your fu..d game.

Oh, the progress. That's how you call it.

I was installing some device at client's lab. At the end of the day, chief of the lab comes in, I show her the device is working and we're about to head home. I'm switching off the comp. But then, the progress happened. "You cannot switch me off, miserable human" - said Windows, - "I am updating." Bloody hell! During installation, I connected to the internet trough 3G. I wasnt supposed to, the lab had no connection for ~reasons~ but now I'm busted. Alright, we're adult people and after some explanations tensions dissipate - lab chief seems to forgive me. "I'm still updating" - reminded Windows. So we went on talking. And talking. And on and on. And talking some more. And more. And even more. "Not yet" - Windows was taking its time. We discussed stuff. And other stuff. And even unrelated stuff was discussed too. "Ok, I'm done" - after about an hour Windows seems like felt my intentions to find some sledge hummer.

I for one like the progress. I just dont like when it's pushed down my throat.
That being said, I totally understand CCP's decision and have no objections.

If people aren't tech savvy enough to learn a new OS, then there is absolutely no way that they are tech savvy enough to use XP or Vista without something falling through all of the vulnerabilities that still exist in those systems and that are not getting patched out.

Same here, well i get some more content of the launcher but i can't log in or anything....thank you CCP for your reliable launcher and that you listened to your playerbase and waited with removing the exe-file login until the launcher was free of flaws...wait...

you fuckin kiddin me?

I had that one this morning. Running the launcher as administrator, doing the file verification, making sure cache permissions were correct, resetting version info, then restarting the computer got it to launch for me.

I'm running a vista laptop on a cellular wi-fi connection and borrowed time.

Not my main gaming PC and I'm saving up for a new one, but the roulette of eve launching/not launching on the old bird keeps me on my toes.