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[September] Mining Barge and Exhumer tweaks

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Ares Splinter
Faceless.
Dracarys.
#441 - 2016-09-13 13:16:09 UTC
I still do not understand people head bother to spend their time on mine they are being cheated again and again for all the training time they spend on getting into a hulk one mach ..
debliver not rewarded for their work on an equal footing with the likes of ratter they have bad vildkår for their mac which is totally unusable out of 00 because they can not handle rats ..
honest CCP wake up
and make something more out of this ..
Faelune
Tous Pour Un
#442 - 2016-09-13 13:28:55 UTC
The only miners alone anywhere that have a way to escape earlier from a pack are only the Venture's family. And not all the time it succeed
Raw Figmo
Ironforge Dirty Deeds
BORE
#443 - 2016-09-13 13:29:08 UTC
Bootsing bonus are not working on the skiffs. They are working on the Mac's. Anyone else seeing this.
Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
#444 - 2016-09-13 13:47:59 UTC
Resa Moon wrote:
[this will not add to the enjoyment


You mean that it won't help you AFK as much.
Faelune
Tous Pour Un
#445 - 2016-09-13 14:23:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Faelune
At this time Skiff is useless because a mass of 55 000 hp a yield about 1300 cubic meter per cycle with strip miner tech2 and a tech 1 lens and expensive at the beginning. With nothing to retaliate or escape who match the cost in ganking occurence
And yesterday it was 2700 cubic meter per cycle on a skiff with this fitting for a mass of 78 000hp.
So I jump off of this coffin to jump in my Venture. And it goes better.
Jonmar Nasgar
Hamptons Roid Raiding Rat Stompers
#446 - 2016-09-13 15:32:08 UTC
First things first.... Grammar nazi's may want to skip this post.... Big smile Lots of red lines under a boatload of the words in this post LOL... Also the 3 periods and whatnot are not for you... They are for me... I cant see CHIT... This makes it easier on me...


CCP Fozzie wrote:


We're very interested in your feedback and welcome you to try out the new stats (and new ship models) on SISI.
Thanks!


Hey CCP... Want to say I havent tried it yet, but I am almost 100% certain I am not going to like all the Barges and Exhumers having the same amount of High Slots... when I am running multiple miners on multiple moniters I can already see me getting confused every now and then on who is who LOL...

I never post here but wanted to tell you why I never mine (or do anything else) in Low or Null...
Hope you dont mind me puttin it here... just take it down if ya do mind...

My Play style for Games is mostly Solo... And the API System gives out to much info...

That pretty much sums it up... Cant even look at Low or Null without Joining a large Alliance that requires too much for my Play Style and RL interruptions...
(Can it be done? yes!!! --- is it worth the hassle currently to Solo Low Or Null??? Not ATM for me!!!)

Also I only just started this third account...
So my two main accounts that I have toons on that are capable of going to Low or Null and joining a large alliance for survivability and Isk making purposes dont do so due to the requirements by ALL Low or Null sec corps for an API that includes ALL of my toons info on each account that joins their Corp/Alliance... And that gives them Access to every account and toon that has had interactions with each other...

Why on earth would I ever join in on the PEW PEW or Industry in Low or Null when I have to give my API out that includes very Gankable mining toons and (not so easily gankable) Pew Pew toons that are not even in the Low or Null sec Corp/Alliance??? Why on Earth would I give out OpSec level Info to a bunch of PvPers and Ganking Players who wouldn't think twice about tracking down my toons that aren't in the Low or Null sec Corp and inflating their killmails with with ridiculously easy Ganks???

There are currently no other Space Games that come close to providing the Playability of Eve for my Playstyle... Tried em... They suck... They suck big ones...

I would have been in Low or Null having a blast long ago if it weren't for the fact that I will NEVER give out info on my toons that are not in your Corp/Alliance until AFTER I know you and where you live in RL... Without OpSec you have nothing... Giving out a full API leaves my other care bare and pew pew toons with no Opsec...
Sure, my WH'ing toons dont give a rats hiney whether you have their API or Not, It's full time war in WH's anyway... My CareBear toons do though... My WH toons only interact with their Corp/Alliance Mates once or twice a week at most... and even then it's only if I happen to be on and there are dangerous peeps or stupids about...

If I was forced to interact more I would probably have to drop my accounts... My playtime and style dont support it at the moment...
(Ya cant force someone to play on Thursdays who is 50 miles from a computer on Thursdays)
(( Yes thats an analogy ))
Although when I am capable of Interacting you can bet your hiney I'll have someone in a BS or Repper running with a bunch of folks who dont require an API...

Havent decided yet whether this will be my Low/Null sec toon, or whether he will join the other 6 toon slots on the other 2 accounts and be forever linked to them through Comms and trading and whatnot... Right now he is all alone and has no connections to them... He is a viable candidate currently.... but the first time I share an Overview through Evemail with him or ANY other interaction he will be forever linked to them through the API and no longer be a viable candidate for Low or Null sec operations with PvP and/or Industrial corps that require a full API...

Anywhose it CCP... To sum it up, my main (not only, just the main) reason for staying out of Low or Null sec Corps (and therefore staying out of Low and Null) on my main accounts is the API that gives away my OpSec on a couple of sometimes profitable CareBare toons and my Pew Pew toons...

Not asking for any changes or anything... Just providing Feedback that I hope may be helpful... I bet there are many more peeps who never post here, with the common sense to NEVER give up OpSec on ALL of their toons on EVERY account that has interacted with their other accounts, just so one or two Toons can join a Low or Null Sec Corp...
Thanks for all the hard work on the best SpaceGame out today for my PlayStyle....

Oh yeah... I love building things... Like a place to live, a castle to call home, ships, modules, and whatnot... To bad us semi solo playstyle peeps have no way to defend our homes and efforts without dropping 500 bucks on PLEX and hiring Mercs.... Or playing in a manner that is contrary to what is "fun" or sometimes even possible for us due to interruptions in RL...

Keep up the great work... Just remember what it would be like if a bunch of us got together and came and rearranged your offices and workspaces to our liking, not yours, every 6 or 8 weeks or so... That would indeed suck wouldnt it... It's the same for us players... Keep that in mind as you put so much hard work and effort (which is appreciated by me most of the time) into updating EVE so often :) :) :)

IMO EVE is the best Space game out ATM.... As soon as someone makes a Space Game with a comparable amount of open world building and creating like Eve has, where it isnt so ridiculously easy for old timers or overwhelming numbers to come along and destroy everything you have built, that will change...
Faelune
Tous Pour Un
#447 - 2016-09-13 15:48:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Faelune
I really think the skiff like it is now is a gift for gankers to replenish.
But I dispise this with this depicture. Gankers I see them like old hunters in their camo suits and their dogs and riflles sit on a camping chair next to a table and some bad beers wine or vodkas standing for the flight of birds under an apple tree.
some slothery bunch of slow life
Bob Forrest
Beyond New Friends
The Banana Republic.
#448 - 2016-09-13 16:07:01 UTC
I loved to mine with only one laser and different crystals, simply because it's quite uncomplicated to warp in a belt, orbit a rock or my mtu and mine what is there and only switch the crystal if nothing of that type is in reach anymore...now i will have to switch crystals a lot more or always have a set of two crystals of the same type to hit a single rock...i really don't like what you did to the proc/skiff...makes me even think of never mine again...
Admiral Zander
Paragon Industrial Manufacturing Partners
#449 - 2016-09-13 16:45:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Admiral Zander
Quote:
Thanks for nerfing my Hulk again.


My Math Was Wrong. I retract that statement.
Bob Forrest
Beyond New Friends
The Banana Republic.
#450 - 2016-09-13 16:51:32 UTC
all angry miners should unite and gather somewhere to commit sucide in their barges and exhumers!
i'd be willing to! who is with me?
Admiral Zander
Paragon Industrial Manufacturing Partners
#451 - 2016-09-13 16:52:23 UTC
Bob Forrest wrote:
all angry miners should unite and gather somewhere to commit sucide in their barges and exhumers!
i'd be willing to! who is with me?

Spoken like a true Ganker
Bob Forrest
Beyond New Friends
The Banana Republic.
#452 - 2016-09-13 16:55:15 UTC
Admiral Zander wrote:
Bob Forrest wrote:
all angry miners should unite and gather somewhere to commit sucide in their barges and exhumers!
i'd be willing to! who is with me?

Spoken like a true Ganker

i'm a pacifist, even in eve, only rats and code are exceptions :)
Admiral Zander
Paragon Industrial Manufacturing Partners
#453 - 2016-09-13 17:08:26 UTC
love the new Designs and Skins.
Thanks CCP
Hark'ma
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#454 - 2016-09-13 17:18:11 UTC
Why can't you guys just leave the effin' Sandbox alone and quit pissing with stuff? Leave the damn mining boosts as off-grid and quit changing things in the game. There is better things to work on instead of fkn' with things that weren't broken to begin with.

Quit pissing in the sandbox CCP.
Captain JeanLuke Picard
Hobo Mining Consortium
#455 - 2016-09-13 19:19:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain JeanLuke Picard
Love the new animations but seems a bit overused though on all 3 barges and exhumers it's the same just more "blue spinning wheels", would have been more fitting if the retriever had more ore compactors, the covetor had more flames and proc looked more tanky with less of the other 2 graphics. Also the middle blue spinning wheel thing doesn't match up to the number of mining lasers which seems really off to me...I don't like the change of number of mining lasers on all barges to 2 each, I really liked the way it was before, it makes procs economical saving on crystals and easier to calculate maximize yield/cycles , with the retriever it was a good afk miner, just hit 2 big roids, and with covetor it was a fleet miner where you were constantly trying to maximize your 3 lasers for yield/cycle. I don't like the new 2 mining lasers system, defeated the original purpose. Retriever seems a little more cap stable now, skiffs feels a bit gimpier, stuggles with cpu and capacitor bank so I guess that's to make it more gankable, neut them out quicker. Haven't even tried covetor for a long time, doesn't seem like many people fleet mine anyway, was a super gimpy ship before can't imagine one low slot is going to encourage many miners to bait themselves in it much more. As the game is I don't fly a retriever or mack unless I'm trying to bait suicide gankers or such. Tip to my fellow miners, drop a mobile depot and orbit it while mining so you don't get cata dropped directly onto, less likley to be bumped, also to refit tackle/ecm skiff etc, or use it to store that extra 1000m3 of ice.
Falcon GB
LightningStrikesTwice
Invidia Gloriae Comes
#456 - 2016-09-13 20:41:52 UTC
Mackinaw:
Removal of strip miner yield and ice harvester cycle time role bonuses

If thats all you've done to the Mack why does my fit no longer work? Gone from Cap stable to no cap at all.. Please CCP can we concentrate on fixing things that are actually broke instead of breaking things that work!!!! And by the way.. why the hell did you mutilate the Executioner hull with it's lovely Amarrian curves and turn it into the hideous looking thing that looks like it was designed in Minecraft?????
Axure Abbacus
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#457 - 2016-09-14 01:58:28 UTC
The addition of the smoke and flames are a nice touch but they appear active when i added an advanced cloak to the fit. I hope this is just a glitch on my computer because right now I have a cloaked Procurer belching smoke and flame.

It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid.
Dieter Ottenbach
Ottenbach Industries LTD
#458 - 2016-09-14 02:29:06 UTC
Hmmm. To play devil's advocate, it seems to me that with all the talk of how easy it is to gank the barges, inexpensively etc etc (even profitable), perhaps it's just as well that many miners just switch to being gankers (until the "rebalance" plays itself out). Each account on EVE comes with three characters afterall. If it's time to stop mining and start ganking, so be it. It's just a game folks.....
Warlord Balrog
303rd X-SOLDIER
#459 - 2016-09-14 02:36:52 UTC
Dieter Ottenbach wrote:
Hmmm. To play devil's advocate, it seems to me that with all the talk of how easy it is to gank the barges, inexpensively etc etc (even profitable), perhaps it's just as well that many miners just switch to being gankers (until the "rebalance" plays itself out). Each account on EVE comes with three characters afterall. If it's time to stop mining and start ganking, so be it. It's just a game folks.....


Or use the minerals you've been mining and selling to those who gank you and manufacture/invent. Eventually they'll have to learn how to reactivate mining lasers on many characters efficiently, to which they all claim is easy.

Another great option is just don't undock a barge and they'll all unsub, since there'll be no paper planes to throw fireballs at. Force them to learn how to PvP instead of just shooting one volley on 5-20 accounts. Who knows maybe they'll learn how to socialize or learn what real teamwork is! :)
Enlightened Xax
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#460 - 2016-09-14 04:19:23 UTC
I think this change totally sucked the big one! Nerfing the Hulk and Covetor for the matter, just makes the boring but necessary task of mining even lamer. For all the training that had to go into being able to fly a Hulk and make it just rip the roids, this patch just made all that worthless. The whole point of training to fly the hulk was for the 3 mining lasers, who cares about the low ore hold. The reason the Hulk usage was low is because not everyone would train up to use them. Make the time spent on this game training worth something!