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I have one question.

What will be done to prevent free accounts being used to flood chat with gold spamming and used for RMT?

This is my greatest concern. My sub expires in a couple of hours, and it will remain that way pending the biomass of all toons on it come the November expansion if a satisfactory explanation of how this will be stopped is not provided, which will make this my last post ever without said answer.

When SWTOR went F2P, this was literally the first thing that happened. F2P accounts botting on starter worlds to hit lvl 10 so they could go to fleet and spam chat with their gold selling websites. They're doing it right now, I'm gearing a Shadow and every minute or two, a new message from someone with a name that's basically the equivalent of mashing the keyboard (ie jbgfr or some such) advertises their RMT website with an exchange rate. And it's not just one or two or three, it's a dozen. And it doesn't matter if you report them, because they just create a new Gmail account and presto, new free toon ready to spam away to replace the one they lost.

Tell me how you'll prevent this, please. Because if I log on in November and see even one RMT ad in chat in any system, I swear I'm done.

...............Ohhhhh boy. This will be INTRESTING!

I wont say EVE is dead. But im not sure what im gonna say about this...

I belive that its great to give people who want to try and put some time into the game. But dont have the money or time to fully dedicate themselves to the game. But there is the thing that people will try to abuse this that kinda makes me worried. you are taking a bit risk CCP. But I shall trust in your judgement on this one.

An Alpha can reach more than 5.5m SP by spending a little bit of time as an Omega. Once over 5.5m SP, the Alpha could then train and extract Alpha skills over and over, so limiting Extractions is still needed.

They will just become "unsubbing" posts. Most are already anyway.

The whole release looks very good, im really looking forward to it - most abuses seem to have been thought of and already eliminated in first place.

The unlimited time now enables newcomers to test eve without stress and get involved into corps & communities and i think this is a big big step for bringing eve more into the market. I love it.

But after reading very carefully and looking through your set of skills you make available i didnt seem to find a barrier for Industry toons.

Sure they are not as fast as a maxed out toon but they are able to research, copy & manufacture. Even if in small and slower scale than a normal industry player would.

Lets face it, it's EvE, people WILL do what is most efficent. And from what i see right now it is efficent to use free Alpha accounts for industry rather than one plexed account.

If this goes on the live server without a limitatation, a few people will start using Alpha accounts for it. Probably more than just a few, and this will trigger a wave of more and more industrialists jumping on that train because you can't compete with the prices of an Alpha account.

Sure, you can't produce everything because some stuff requires omega skills. Yet it will still cause this wave of "Alpha-Accounts creating low-tech stuff"".

It would be great to let newcomers see the sweet juice of industry aswell..so completly removing that isn't the right solution too. But I'm not here to offer a solution im only here to mention a problem that has to be mentioned sooner or later.
Cheers

Edit: Please tell me that I'm wrong somewhere and this won't happen

Post removed for above reason and a quitting post

Two questions I forgot:

*) now that we're going to have unlimited trials who can use Mining Frigates, Trade, Industry (thank god no PI any more), what is your stance again with Virtual Machines and VPN? Just to remind the masses.
*) What about players who trained PI skills? Are they still able to use their pre-built colonies? Because the thing is, every person can already plant down one Command center on one planet, as Interplanetary consolidation allows for a total of SIX planets when fully skilled, not one. And it's one tiny command center, yeah. But still, if everything is prebuilt, do you have a system in place which determines what is the "first" colony, or will you select it at random?

>> Zappity: PI skills are not included in the alpha list in the devblog.
You can still create 1 colony with a level 0 command center by default. Maybe enough to fool the code for pre-existing colonies.

>> Zifrian: Ganking. you gotta nip this in the bud now. I say lock them into green agression. You simply can't attack someone without them aggressions you first.
That's an idea worth pondering, but it also impedes the sandbox spirit so I doubt they'll be going there.
I don't want to cover the subject of gankers circumventing timers with just a simple relog to a large selection of trial accounts, because they've could have done that already if they wanted and just re-train, if that even was worth while. Which I doubt.
Now it would be just more of a convenience as the retraining falls flat.
But to be honest, gankers aren't the problem. Uninformed players are what give them targets.
Note, I do not endorse or condemn ganking. If it happens, then usually only because someone made themselves a target, unwilling or not.

>> Reinhardt Kreiss: F2P... it's here. An MMO switching to F2P indicates its decline and departure from a long term commitment to a short term cash grab.
Wrong. There are games out there who only survived this long because of the move to F2P. Many players have loose wallets and many microtransactions are just that. They appear micro per payment, but many don't actually see that adding up.
Hell just look at what people pay for starbucks and cigarettes and booze.


>> JTK Fotheringham: Serious question - how will "Alpha" accounts be treated in purges? Say an alpha account never subscribes, or only subs once - never to generate cash again. Will it be purged at some point in the future?[/quote]
Was there ever a purge? I only remember they freed up names and put "Faction Citizen #######" instead. I still have a link to my original trial character from end of 2006. It's just the name that is different.


>> Valterra Craven]In alpha states I don't think you should be able to set up sell orders at all.
If your only outlook is to punish actual new players simply because alts of veterans could be used to gain a marginally small advantage (as idle time is still a thing), then they shouldn't have come up with a skill system like this, plain and simple.
Also, what you talk about is utter nonsense. People could have (and maybe have?) done that with regular trials anyway. So what is the problem again? The real world difference is nil.


>> Elenahina: Without the cost of PLEX to consider, I can undercut my competition and flood the market, further depressing prices on these goods.
How much below reprocessing value are you aiming to go for? Because this is what it will come down to. It's not about having no competition or undercutting everyone, it's about having the same prices everywhere then. Look at other games with open item or currency exchanges like that. If enough players access it, the price levels itself to the equilibrium. The natural selection of those who are persistent enough over the ones who aren't is what has kept the eve economy going, and will let it continue after these changes.
This doesn't mean your concerns are invalid. They are valid. How much impact this will be having is another question entirely. Because someone is going to get tired eventually of trying to run all the things. Knowing when to cut branches of a tree to help it grow better is important to not kill it by cutting too much.

>> Valterra Craven: Wait, now I'm curious, if people are leaving Eve because they can't pay for it, what exactly is the purpose of wanting to keep people playing that have no money to give to you?
People don't leave because they can't pay for it. People just decide not to pay any more because they deem the investment not worth. If they still can be in the 3D chat simulator despite not paying, then by all means, let them.
In addition to this, every player who remains in the game, is a possible compulsive buyer for microtransactions. Each player is still a variable in possible interactions and content creation.
Plus, you are much likely to resub if you're still IN the game with all the fruit dangling just out of your reach, than when you made the final quit.
In terms of marketing, it's a solid idea. Let's just try to keep the abuse either minimalistic, and/or paint the stars with the blood of dime and a dozen additional players who just want to hassle with their inferior skills.

>> Darkwing Fiftytwo: What about limiting system access to high-sec or high/lo-sec?? Is that a good or bad idea?
Outrageously horrendous idea. If you get teased with massive fleet battles and enter the game due to this premise, and then realize you can't go there until you pay? Instant turnoff, marketing suicide. The best way to get new players to enjoy the fighting side of eve is to put them as soon as possible into this desired direction.

I am pretty sure yes, since they have an account

So you extract those 500k SP and the training is paused again, cause you are back to 5M. Would you plex it again just to extract another 500k? Doesn't sound viable at all. Also, they said they would limit the Alpha skills so you can't extract them.

The real issue with these things is still the multiboxing issue.

I like it CCP! It will take some tweaking to make sure that "Alpha abuse" is minimized as much as possible but overall it's solid. The more newbros/gals in the game the better. Of course when the "Alpha Alliance" sweeps through New Eden destroying all in it's path I might feel differently.