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I dont get why indy boosts and combat boosts are being treated the same. A rorq gives its fleet members no combat advantage, aside from passive boosts. A combat booster gives his/her fleet a massive advantage.

I get ccp wants to lose off grid, but why treat them alike?

for the rorq, why not lose the indy core, have it apply full boosts with no 5 min lock down, but to all fleet members on grid. Having a rorq slowboating around a colossal belt, trying to keep everyone in range would just be downright frustrating.

There would be a level of risk, whether its a booster only or using mining fighters, as there is for those that rat in carriers. Its not like risking a handful of mining ships, its a fairly pricey ship to mere mortals like me.

As others have said, the 5 minute invul thing would just delay the inevitable.

I realise its early days for these nerfs, but why over complicate it.

your rorqual has bonuses to shield links. personally i would stick some on it

Please tell me you didn't just write that: activate module manually? Seriously?

OMFG. That would be grounds for me to self-destruct my Rorqual for basic insurance, or reprocess it.

yes, but whats the point of a mining boost ship with combat links?

I'm just wondering if Incursions were taken into account for these features at all.
Currently you'd have 1 (vanguards) or 2 command ships sitting offgrid afk; now every FC will have to train into a command ship and boost ongrid which is going to be a pain in the ass -_-
(inb4 can't you just run with more logistics?)
The efficiency is seriously hampered by either having ongrid boosters or not at all (both are viable ideas of what might happen.)
Or just have the booster in fleet and leave fleet when site is about to end (so you don't affect site payouts)
in any case there needs more thinking!

Probably wont use the Orca as a in belt booster - so - How many ships need to be in a mining fleet before swapping out a Skiff for a Fleet booster becomes profitable?

JUst when you thought CCP was doing something cool ,you find out they just reinvented the way of reaching all the way around their backside just to scratch their elbow. Seriously,what were you trying to fix...fleet boosts ?cause people hate trying to figure out where they fit in inside the fleet? this is something you learn as you play and play with others,perhaps 'Explain' things a bit better for us undereducated folks,either way just another tickmark on the CCP Ship, THese burst modules will proably do good out in Null sec, but anywhere else i just dont see them being that helpful .Using them in High sec just means You became the primary,just seconds before the rest of your fleet get rolled over the belts ,this would be anywhere maybe out in null fleets will last longer ok their hitting the booster warp out (cause there is a counter for that right?)((or how about that fleet accouncement thingie collecting dust,like DUST)) . besides this is stuff a new character wouldnt even be bothered with unless it was an alt . For our alts that wasted all that time just to get a booster to help them,you gave us what...oh yeah extractors and injectors and auruim (sp?) Oh my,CCP was clever with this one,you shoot up this tengu,loki or just about any high end ship and you got character days old inside something "beyond his years" , skill points do not make up for experience,maybe stablize your ship more ,yay people wasted money to sit inside something they could have used another ship for ,this hasnt changed at all CCP once again you definitely all about that buck...hey spread the wealth a bit,fix our combat logs to show NPC kills differently ,its kinda bland Ship Kills->Losses. Umm how about take the middleppl out of this do up a table like the way any spread sheet that updates like with any api,perhaps , oh yeah there is probly a reason you havent done this...stop sipping on your lattes',ok back to these updates.the 'Fleet boosting should allow counterplay by enemies' section is not reveling enough,we can assume a sizeable number of CCP devs dont play like the rest of us,ship pops boosts are down ( even with the boosting duration,),why are we adding to this again?your going to take someone off grid but allow the boost to last? (where is this making on grid better?) Sorry as i read this blog all i can see is negative,the thought of a new ship would have made most cream their pants,now all i feel is why do I still play this , for pvp(oh wait we call this content...why?its player verus player,content would imply the gamemaker have done something to add to said game) , for PVE (CCP can always make a bigger NPC ship to top drifters)..(storyline is even gotten to the point its recycled),for Mining,yeah you killed that one again with this blog. CCP why are we playing this game of yours? You have nerfed just about everything to the game you have takened most of our modules turned them into something low grade all except for t2,faction mods,you cant even get decent reprocessing out of a wreck,took skill training skills out,attribute enhancers are soon to be gone,Trading skills dont really matter,Leadership skills pointless now,Social skills are being kept for what reason now,even the fun,More of the game is played outside than inside.KIllboards?you got ppl padding it left and right now to the point its not even a realiable way to judge a target.Half the thrid party programs are delayed and dont really give actual pricing,Forums are endless,apis to everyone,you almost have to have a government background check to get into a big alliance to get to said place to do all this "New and Great" stuff. Its funny,you want more people to pay to play(pay to win as well) ,dont care if they play or not but now if they are using alts its bad? CCP it definitely looks like your trying to do stuff,bravo on posting updates,you keep only counting ships destroyed as the only fun, you gotten us to this point to where it pointless to have alts now,so no need to keep them subbed,right , well it is august,you still have time this year to pull something out that is actually great. Whereever your doing the testing for how your stuff works server is failing you cause you have a narrow audience,even more so now,Your real feedback is from your numbers, which are based on ???ships loss,(this is suppose to be fun?) really at any given time there is roughly at least 10k+ on the server,who perform the main stuff of the game,pvp,pve,mining, and you want to drop that down to what 5k? i dont know what the purpose of this game is anymore so why log in now ,CCP you been doing this for what 13 years,i have seen ten of that ,this wasnt the biggest disappointment so far thats good. In my opinion since you have "so many great" third party tools,just make one called "Local" some chat based on your location (another API thing for people to use however they see fit),Take local out of the game,since you dont even care to use the eve chat or update it,this way you can keep users "logged in" since they would need a character on both sides of gates like wormhole space,(cause the option of playing with local up and running is just sooo cool and informative with spam,scams,and bully people talking foul language and aggressive natures. Why does CCP keep all this negative stuff? Who is actually telling CCP this stuff works,who at CCP is believing it, i know you think you got something going on similair to departments or sections,how about a department to sort this meat grinder ,all this stuff you got coming in and all that is coming out is not a very nice word. and for what we pay for the said bad word can provide a better christmas on a console .I hope you got your Do Not Fire List made up cause this one will cost you a few jobs but hey at this rate i wont be worrying of EVE soon.i can go back and play something easier on the eyes similiar to WOW.Good Luck CCP,use what you got of this year and fix yourself.

yes, but whats the point of a mining boost ship with combat links?

Thanks for the math,

One would have hoped the range would have been at least as far as a Capital Tractor Beam