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Blowing up AFK miners. What do you think?

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
#141 - 2016-08-19 13:03:13 UTC
I have to say I utterly adore people saying you are afk when you mine, those damn asteroids are so damn small I get one and a bit cycle off and thats it. If I was AFK I would not mine anything, true story...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Omar Alharazaad
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#142 - 2016-08-19 14:00:53 UTC
After being involved in a Hulk gank in 2009 I was left with two very deep impressions.
The first was that, as a fellow Hulk pilot at the time, I felt more than a little dirty.
It was not an ideal gank as far as profit was concerned, and the loot was actually pretty ******.
My CEO at the time thought it was awesome. I could only politely hold my tongue as I considered the time and effort that went into it in addition to the cost of the ships involved.

The second impression I got was this. We are not ever safe anywhere that is not in a station. We need to be paying attention to whatever it is that we are doing so long as we are in space. Not doing so invites disaster. Not doing so renders any horribad thing that happens to us when we are not paying attention OUR FAULT.


Yes, other players may be the engine that drives the pain, BUT if we are paying attention we can deny them their joy. Blue ball them in their quest for the kill mail. Make the tears theirs, albeit quietly, as manly men wont let anyone see them cry when they fail. The weak we may taunt when they do cry, that is just and our right.

PVP isn't just about violence; if you are a PVE player and don't want to be exploded then every time you thwart the monsters under your bunk from bad touching your ship you are winning at PVP.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Favor Man
Industrial Mining and Mayhem
Brave Collective
#143 - 2016-08-19 18:24:27 UTC
As a fellow miner I can only give you some hints on how to try to survive in Hi-sec if you want to afk mine.

If you can only fly a Venture then fit 1 Adaptive Invulnerability Field, 1 MWD (Micro-warp Drive) if you want and 2 (or 3 if no MWD) Small shield extenders. In rigs you can fit 2 EM resists and 1 thermal. That will give you a lot of defense in general and will increase your chance of survival while providing maximum mining yield. If you want you can always fir Damage Control in low-slot but you lose a slot for mining laser upgrade then.

If you can fly a mining barge (like a procurer) then I strongly advise you fly that if you don't feel safe enough, it has lots of defense and you can fit it to sustain massive damage before going down.

When I started EVE, roughly 2 years ago, I tried out ALL aspects of it, from high-sec mining, low-sec mining, w-space mining to null-sec mining, pvp in all areas, massive null-sec fleets, attacking capital ships in cruisers and ****, running w-space anomaly sites, ratting in nul-sec, moon mining, PI, ...
I would strongly recommend any new player that wants to do mining and/or industry to join a nul-sec corp, like mine for example.

Right now we need more miners/ratters (ratter is someone who kills NPC ships for isk bounty prize), we can provide you with a ship (venture/mining barge) and mining boosts (there's something called an Orca or Rorqal, both are mining boost ships that almost double your mining yield if you're in the fleet with a booster).
We're all friendly and like to teach new players, also our system is fairly safe (not many gankers, actually I've seen like 1 in the past 3 weeks since I joined).

Main reason why I'd sudgest you to go in nul-sec is because you learn how to survive, it's harsh environment yeah but you can't fully AFK in it. You always need to keep one eye on the local chat to see if someone 'unknown' pops in.

Send me a mail (ingame) if you want more info I'm glad to help out.

- Favor
Lawrence Lawton
The Lawton School for Pubbies Who Can't Mine Good
Novus Ordo.
#144 - 2016-08-28 08:40:47 UTC
Blood Retributor wrote:

Note please, there is no one to give me free ISK so I can get a destroyer or cruiser to get out of the hi-sec
...I am mining to get money for a better ship for lowsec and training skills to be able to use it


You do not need to grind up your character before it's possible to have any fun in EVE.
There are some games that are like that, but EVE is not one of them.
Join a nullsec alliance. Yes, as a new player. They will provide you with free skillbooks to learn and free ships to fly. You can be a huge asset in their battles by flying a free T1 tackle frigate as you train up to fly the doctrine ships.
Get out of highsec as soon as possible.
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#145 - 2016-08-28 10:06:11 UTC
Sigh.


All you need to survive in null is a frigate.

Kill rats in the belt. Yes, you can do it. Go to Provi or Syndicate and practice.

Join a null corp. Its easy.

As noted above, they will throw ships and skillbooks at you.

Profit.

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.

Jagd Wilde
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#146 - 2016-08-28 22:33:08 UTC
i don't know what makes people want to play solo in an mmo

join a group

or gtfo

Every alt I own has a red safety, this has brought my friends much laughter.

Khan Tzestu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#147 - 2016-08-29 02:10:29 UTC
To avoid gankers you have to have people watching your back. Trust me it helps. Don't mine in high traffic areas alone in something other than a procurer. You can shield tank it well enough to survive and watch concord come blow the pirate up. Unless they come in a group then just run if you don't get tackled first. Always keep an eye on local for unusual traffic and make sure to mark the known pirate corps to bad standing. Also d scan, d scan, d scan. Because of d scans I've been able to jet before others got ganked. But make some friends and do group mining opps, some people will sit cloaked for a cut to protect you. Code is everywhere and you must be prepared to survive any and everything that can and will be thrown at you. A good way to learn how to not get ganked properly is have a vet take you on wh opps. You have to learn to rely on scans heavily and it just helps that much when in highsec. If you see a frigate or destroyer that's know to be used in ganks run. The last thing I gotta say is probably the best advice I ever gotten in this game, take nothing for granted. Feeling safe equals death, trust the ones that are true and nothing else. That one is tough cause some will act like friends just to turn on you so use common sense. And don't fear code or any other like them. It's not that tough to learn how to survive but it does take time and practice.
Sylphy
TSOE Po1ice
TSOE Consortium
#148 - 2016-08-29 08:32:22 UTC
Don't AFK mine. Come to null. Tell other highsec afk miners how you make 10x what they do for just a little more effort.

The character does not represent the views/opinions of its Corporation or Alliance.

Deep Nine
Vigilante Carebears
#149 - 2016-08-29 17:37:07 UTC
What do I think?

The Gankers themselves do it for a multitude of reasons; Fun, to hurt and bully you, your reaction, but also to affect market prices on products such as ice, ore, modules, and even ships. Groups of them are even funded to take such action for effects on the market by the big fish marketeers who want to watch their stocks rise or maintain status quo. Some gankers are misguided or naïve enough too believe its a righteous act or they are doing you a favor, but these are usually people who have IQ's so low their opinion is not worth taking into consideration.

The market itself is fueled by death and death keeps the prices high. CCP and some Gankers understand this. What both groups fail to understand, and/or do not care, is how cheap everything would become if ganking was not allowed. Fuel, modules, Ships ETC would be considerably cheaper without ganking, which would provide more opportunities for people such as yourself to concentrate more on the game and exploring its depths and less on surviving in high sec. However some of these individuals have an invested interest in keeping market prices high, as they manufacture and sell goods in high sec, even to the extent of building the barges that they gank, so they can drive up the price and once they kill you, you will essentially buy another barge from the same person or group that just killed you without knowing, cute isent it?

I also think that CCP allows it and furthermore encourages it. This is evident because of how criminal status is treated, as a joke. As a criminal you cant mine, salvage, mission, or PvP, not that any of that matters because you can dock, trade, market, gate, gank, and still have access to stations and all of their services. If a person they are trying to gank warps out, they can just warp back to station and dock, neat huh? If CCP didn't want gankers they would disable their ability to dock and/or use services, use gates in ships other then a pod, and prevent them from buying or selling in high sec, which would be how a real criminal would be treated in real space, I doubt space stations would realistically let someone with -10.00 sec status dock after a security check, but hey, they stopped caring about continuity errors a while ago, so don't look for help there.

This game was, and is, built on a 'survival of the fittest' mentality. If you quit because its too tough, too hard, or you're not smart enough, the general consensus is ''Good, we don't want your type around here anyway." CCP feels this way and so do ALL of the people you are upset at or do not understand. You'll be looked at as too weak to survive, the proof is in the product. If you want to see what someone truly thinks and believes, don't listen to a word they say, watch what they do and how they do things. Around here, they're glad to let you die and wont protect you, don't worry about what justifications people in this game use for their actions, it will be a lie.

You'll learn a great deal about human nature playing this game and just how many people are proud of being amoral, ruthless, and exhibiting outright disgusting behavior.

Enjoy your stay.
Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#150 - 2016-08-29 19:03:33 UTC
Deep Nine wrote:
I doubt space stations would realistically let someone with -10.00 sec status dock after a security check


Why wouldn't they? No, really. You haven't harmed them in any way, you've killed a fellow immortal demigod. An immortal demigod who most regular people fear and despise, might I add. Not to mention that your criminal ISK is just as good as some +5.0 carebear's. Seriously, why wouldn't they want you doing business there?

Please explain to me why, in this hyper-capitalistic dystopia, would normal people care how we immortals treat each other's shiney space ships?



Please make the effort to learn about New Eden before you go claiming nonsense.
Deep Nine
Vigilante Carebears
#151 - 2016-08-29 20:02:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Deep Nine
Galaxy Duck wrote:
Deep Nine wrote:
I doubt space stations would realistically let someone with -10.00 sec status dock after a security check


Why wouldn't they? No, really. You haven't harmed them in any way, you've killed a fellow immortal demigod. An immortal demigod who most regular people fear and despise, might I add. Not to mention that your criminal ISK is just as good as some +5.0 carebear's. Seriously, why wouldn't they want you doing business there?

Please explain to me why, in this hyper-capitalistic dystopia, would normal people care how we immortals treat each other's shiney space ships?



Please make the effort to learn about New Eden before you go claiming nonsense.


Why would you have a security status at all if no one cares? Why would CONCORD show up and put a stop to you attacking another immortal demi-god? Why would there be rules and laws at all? Why wouldent they, in this hyper-futuristic space utopia where everyone is immortal just let everyone rob, murder, and destroy anything they want with no punishment at all? I mean, being a serial killer, professional thief, or a serial rapist doesn't mean your going to do it every time you see another human being, so why would we judge someone who is one of those things. We should just let people, who've done those things and have no intention of stopping, continue to go about their business, even when they do it, no one should stop them or punish them. And as for money? The same reason a felon isen't aloud to walk into a gun shop and purchase a gun, they have no intention of using it in the correct manner, and, in all likelihood because of their background has the intention of misusing what they purchase to harm others.
Gerhard Stringfellow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#152 - 2016-08-29 21:57:20 UTC
Dude, go to nullsec by way of Pandemic Horde, TEST, BRAVE, or Karmafleet. I know that PH doesn't require API or interview so just join them; you'll be mining way better space rocks and they'll give you a mining ship. I'm sure the other alliances are the same but just require API. You'll have a large group of people willing to warp in when you get attacked (and you will get attacked). Hisec is really isolating and bad for the game because you really only have yourself to rely on and your one ship vs more organized gankers. I'm not knocking ganking but I can see where you're getting frustrated. Go to a null alliance where you'll have a support network, buddies to help defend you, and where you won't be the lowest thing on the foot chain by default.

Another pubbie elite PvE pay to win mining carebear

Gerhard Stringfellow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#153 - 2016-08-29 21:58:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Gerhard Stringfellow
Double post

Another pubbie elite PvE pay to win mining carebear

Le Plebo
The Conference Elite
CODE.
#154 - 2016-08-30 04:43:14 UTC
It's simple.

No permit no ship
Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#155 - 2016-08-30 13:50:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Galaxy Duck
Deep Nine wrote:
Galaxy Duck wrote:
Deep Nine wrote:
I doubt space stations would realistically let someone with -10.00 sec status dock after a security check


Why wouldn't they? No, really. You haven't harmed them in any way, you've killed a fellow immortal demigod. An immortal demigod who most regular people fear and despise, might I add. Not to mention that your criminal ISK is just as good as some +5.0 carebear's. Seriously, why wouldn't they want you doing business there?

Please explain to me why, in this hyper-capitalistic dystopia, would normal people care how we immortals treat each other's shiney space ships?



Please make the effort to learn about New Eden before you go claiming nonsense.


Why would you have a security status at all if no one cares? Why would CONCORD show up and put a stop to you attacking another immortal demi-god? Why would there be rules and laws at all? Why wouldent they, in this hyper-futuristic space utopia where everyone is immortal just let everyone rob, murder, and destroy anything they want with no punishment at all? I mean, being a serial killer, professional thief, or a serial rapist doesn't mean your going to do it every time you see another human being, so why would we judge someone who is one of those things. We should just let people, who've done those things and have no intention of stopping, continue to go about their business, even when they do it, no one should stop them or punish them. And as for money? The same reason a felon isen't aloud to walk into a gun shop and purchase a gun, they have no intention of using it in the correct manner, and, in all likelihood because of their background has the intention of misusing what they purchase to harm others.


Line by line then:

"Why would you have a security status at all if no one cares?"

1) Certain entities do care about sec status, just not the merchant corporations who own the stations. Why would they?

" Why would CONCORD show up and put a stop to you attacking another immortal demi-god?"

2) CONCORD has two jobs: i) Keep relative peace between the empires and ii) keep immortal technology from being abused (aka keep capsuleer conflicts from consuming New Eden) They are NOT the personal police force of the empires. Keep in mind that even the empires themselves are wholly separate entities from the merchant corps who own the stations. We're talking about multiple different actors here, all with their own agenda.

"Why would there be rules and laws at all?"

3) I could give you some lore answer, but the easiest and most accurate explanation is that this is a game and games needs rules.

"Why wouldent they, in this hyper-futuristic space utopia where everyone is immortal just let everyone rob, murder, and destroy anything they want with no punishment at all?"

The EVE Universe is a dystopia, as stated by the game designers and known by everyone but you apparently. For the answer see #3.

"where everyone is immortal"

4) Everyone is not immortal. Capsuleers are an extreme minority. Why would normal people care that an immortal 0.001% of the galaxy are robbing and destroying each other's stuff?

"murder"

5) There is no murder among immortals. There are punishments because regular people fear the power of the capsuleers.

This is the point where your post degraded into some RL analogy that has no bearing on this video game.

It is absolutely ridiculous to base game design around lore explanations for things, but if you wanna go down that road, you'll see that you still don't have a leg to stand on.

Nearly every conception you have about the EVE universe is wrong. Go read some of the books or chronicles or something.
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#156 - 2016-08-30 14:06:00 UTC
Galaxy Duck wrote:
Deep Nine wrote:
Galaxy Duck wrote:
Deep Nine wrote:
I doubt space stations would realistically let someone with -10.00 sec status dock after a security check


Why wouldn't they? No, really. You haven't harmed them in any way, you've killed a fellow immortal demigod. An immortal demigod who most regular people fear and despise, might I add. Not to mention that your criminal ISK is just as good as some +5.0 carebear's. Seriously, why wouldn't they want you doing business there?

Please explain to me why, in this hyper-capitalistic dystopia, would normal people care how we immortals treat each other's shiney space ships?



Please make the effort to learn about New Eden before you go claiming nonsense.


Why would you have a security status at all if no one cares? Why would CONCORD show up and put a stop to you attacking another immortal demi-god? Why would there be rules and laws at all? Why wouldent they, in this hyper-futuristic space utopia where everyone is immortal just let everyone rob, murder, and destroy anything they want with no punishment at all? I mean, being a serial killer, professional thief, or a serial rapist doesn't mean your going to do it every time you see another human being, so why would we judge someone who is one of those things. We should just let people, who've done those things and have no intention of stopping, continue to go about their business, even when they do it, no one should stop them or punish them. And as for money? The same reason a felon isen't aloud to walk into a gun shop and purchase a gun, they have no intention of using it in the correct manner, and, in all likelihood because of their background has the intention of misusing what they purchase to harm others.


Line by line then:

"Why would you have a security status at all if no one cares?"

1) Certain entities do care about sec status, just not the merchant corporations who own the stations. Why would they?

" Why would CONCORD show up and put a stop to you attacking another immortal demi-god?"

2) CONCORD has two jobs: i) Keep relative peace between the empires and ii) keep immortal technology from being abused (aka keep capsuleer conflicts from consuming New Eden) They are NOT the personal police force of the empires. Keep in mind that even the empires themselves are wholly separate entities from the merchant corps who own the stations. We're talking about multiple different actors here, all with their own agenda.

"Why would there be rules and laws at all?"

3) I could give you some lore answer, but the easiest and most accurate explanation is that this is a game and games needs rules.

"Why wouldent they, in this hyper-futuristic space utopia where everyone is immortal just let everyone rob, murder, and destroy anything they want with no punishment at all?"

The EVE Universe is a dystopia, as stated by the game designers and known by everyone but you apparently. For the answer see #3.

"where everyone is immortal"

4) Everyone is not immortal. Capsuleers are an extreme minority. Why would normal people care that an immortal 0.001% of the galaxy are robbing and destroying each other's stuff?

"murder"

5) There is no murder among immortals. There are punishments because regular people fear the power of the capsuleers.

This is the point where your post degraded into some RL analogy that has no bearing on this video game.

It is absolutely ridiculous to base game design around lore explanations for things, but if you wanna go down that road, you'll see that you still don't have a leg to stand on.

Nearly every conception you have about the EVE universe is wrong. Go read some of the books or chronicles or something.

Someone just got owned by a duck
Quack quack lmao

GG GD :)

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xcelticwarriorx
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#157 - 2016-08-31 16:29:56 UTC
i kill miners because it is fun. when it ceases to be fun i will find another source of amusement.
Blood Retributor
#158 - 2016-09-07 14:24:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Blood Retributor
Hi guys! (and hello ladies, if there are any real ones around here)

Since I have posted that question quite a bit of time has passed.

I had enough time to decide to quit Eve and next day realise that it is too late - I am hooked!

I appreciate all your effort with your replies. Fortunately, thanks to many people on this forum and my time in the game I found my own niche in the sand-box.

I decided to stay a "carebear" (in the meaning of hi-sec dweller) as I do not have the time and freedom to participate in an active null sec/wh corp and I do not want to join a passive one (why would I, I am paying my sub with real money so do not have to grind for PLEX). Mining, exploration, maybe some low sec/wh adventures - that is my choice for now. These days I am missioning for standings with some corps. Do not care much about isk/hr.

Now I can't wait to see what Eve will look like after the alphas are introduced (not much hope there).

So thanks again!

Fly safe (or dangerous, whatever is your choice)!

One step at a time ...

Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#159 - 2016-09-07 14:32:52 UTC
Blood Retributor wrote:
Hi guys! (and hello ladies, if there are any real ones around here)

Since I have posted that question quite a bit of time has passed.

I had enough time to decide to quit Eve and next day realise that it is too late - I am hooked!

I appreciate all your effort with your replies. Fortunately, thanks to many people on this forum and my time in the game I found my own niche in the sand-box.

I decided to stay a "carebear" as I do not have the time and freedom to participate in an active null sec/wh corp and I do not want to join a passive one (why would I, I am paying my sub with real money so do not have to grind for PLEX). Mining, exploration, maybe some low sec/wh adventures - that is my choice for now. These days I am missioning for standings with some corps. Do not care much about isk/hr.

Now I can't wait to see what Eve will look like after the alphas are introduced (not much hope there).

So thanks again!

Fly safe (or dangerous, whatever is your choice)!

Good for you bro!
Just remember, fun>isk :)
Fly Dangerous out there o7

Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester.

Broadcast 4 Reps -- YOU ARE NOT ALONE, EVER

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CCL Loyalist