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A question to CCP Falcon

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Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2016-07-26 10:40:12 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Max Trix
Hello CCP Falcon,

I've read somewhere that you were a pirate or a nullsec pvp player ( something like that ) so I think you can give me an answer about that.

I've given a look to this website link:

* Snip * No Kill boards. * Snip * ISD Max Trix

Statistic here says this alliance gained about 30 trillions of isks and lost about 1 trillion isks playing 74% solo.

It's a ratio of 30:1

What's the reason of a so amazing result in your opinion?

I'm very curious to know the reason from a pvp player that became a game developer because the reason is obscure to me.
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#2 - 2016-07-26 10:48:42 UTC
ISK value: Mainly freighter ganks.
Solo to Gang relation: Autopilot podding, shuttle ganking, that kind of stuff.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#3 - 2016-07-26 10:48:49 UTC
1.) If you enter a "fair" fight
2.) You've done it wrong.
3.) ???
4.) Profit!
Trevor Dalech
Nobody in Local
Deepwater Hooligans
#4 - 2016-07-26 10:49:20 UTC
I'll feed the troll...

Killboards will only show the damaging ships (because that's all they can see) but they are in fact not playing solo.

They have scouts, warp-in alts, intel channels, who all cooperate well together to get one ship in the position to get good kills. Aside from that they solid ship-fitting knowledge, and a manufacturing and logistics base which distributes said ships where they are needed.

it's not solo, you are being outplayed by a well coordinated, highly organised group of players.
Maekchu
Doomheim
#5 - 2016-07-26 10:53:30 UTC
Green killboards are for F1 monkeys anyway.

Real solo PvPers with huge man balls, have red in their kbs. Oh, so much red...
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2016-07-26 10:58:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
Statistic here says this alliance gained about 30 trillions of isks and lost about 1 trillion isks ...

How do you calculate that they gained about 30 trillion?

Their entire among destroyed is 33.6 trillion.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Eladanus
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2016-07-26 10:59:25 UTC
They're using very cheap ships (Cataylsts and Thrashers) to take down Freighers that are worth (and carrying) billions of ISK.

Worth remembering though that these fights aren't just 1v1, and they aren't exchanging one 10m Catalyst for a 10b Frieghter. Like others have said, the gankers are very organised, have weight of numbers, and aren't actually playing solo much of the time.

The stats don't mean all too much tbh. Any new player with a few weeks of training could hop in a gank ship and go blow up a miner or hauler have a green KB with 100% solo on it.
Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2016-07-26 11:00:39 UTC
Actually I've asked the game developer.

I've given a look to all the top pvp alliances and ratios are different, much lower ratios and much much lower solo pvp.

Doing some factional warfare myself on another character I perfectly know how hard is solo pvp and how rare are solo pvpers.

So this so different statistic made me very curious.
Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2016-07-26 11:03:28 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
Statistic here says this alliance gained about 30 trillions of isks and lost about 1 trillion isks ...

How do you calculate that they gained about 30 trillion?

Their entire among destroyed is 33.6 trillion.



I'm not expert of gain by destroyed ships, anyway it's the difference between all other alliances that made me so curios.

I correct to "ship destroyed" and "ship lost" if it's something important.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#10 - 2016-07-26 11:04:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
So this so different statistic made me very curious.

But your understanding of that statistic seems a bit off, if by "gained about 30 trillions of ISK" you mean that this is an increase in their wallet. It isn't.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#11 - 2016-07-26 11:05:50 UTC
Hulk: ISK280,000,000 (or thereabouts)
Catalyst: ISK10,000,000 (or thereabouts)

One Catalyst can solo gank a Hulk in, iirc, 0.7 or below space. That's a 28:1 ISK-Killed:ISK-Lost ratio right there. On loaded up freighters requiring a large number of gankers, or possibly even Talos battlecruisers, the ratio climbs even higher.

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Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2016-07-26 11:06:39 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
Actually I've asked the game developer.

I've given a look to all the top pvp alliances and ratios are different, much lower ratios and much much lower solo pvp.

Doing some factional warfare myself on another character I perfectly know how hard is solo pvp and how rare are solo pvpers.

So this so different statistic made me very curious.

But your understanding of that statistic seems a bit off, if by "gained 30 trillion ISK" you mean that this is an increase in their wallet. It isn't.


mmm ok I was not referring to any wallet.

I was referring to ratios/solo compared to other top pvp alliances.

A game developer that did pvp can surely tell me why they are so much better than others on the statistics I think.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#13 - 2016-07-26 11:07:58 UTC
Also to point out, they have not made the profit you think they have.

For example, their most blingy kill this month was worth 17,732,100,569.54 isk of which only 385,597.18 ISK droppedLol
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#14 - 2016-07-26 11:11:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Lucy Lollipops wrote:
Actually I've asked the game developer.

I've given a look to all the top pvp alliances and ratios are different, much lower ratios and much much lower solo pvp.

Doing some factional warfare myself on another character I perfectly know how hard is solo pvp and how rare are solo pvpers.

So this so different statistic made me very curious.

But your understanding of that statistic seems a bit off, if by "gained 30 trillion ISK" you mean that this is an increase in their wallet. It isn't.


mmm ok I was not referring to any wallet.

I was referring to ratios/solo compared to other top pvp alliances.

A game developer that did pvp can surely tell me why they are so much better than others on the statistics I think.

They are successful in destroying large amounts of ISK because people in highsec carry valuable cargo in under tanked and under supported haulers and/or under tanked, expensive ships.

They target high value kills and find plenty of them because people make choices to provide them with a lot of suitable targets.

In other areas of space (and other people in highsec too) are more careful with the risk they expose themselves to.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#15 - 2016-07-26 11:12:09 UTC
All statistics are well arbitrary measurements of a human creation to measure something. Be they cubits or feet or meters someone created them and someone will create a better metric. This is simple an arbitrary measuring stick that humans created to measure progress or something, anything really they wanted to. And one is just as effective as another but ALL are illusions... nothing more.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Erebus Vain
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2016-07-26 11:15:22 UTC
Yourmoney Mywallet wrote:
1.) If you enter a "fair" fight
2.) You've done it wrong.
3.) ???
4.) Profit!



"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck." - John Steinbeck
Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2016-07-26 11:19:49 UTC
Erebus Vain wrote:
Yourmoney Mywallet wrote:
1.) If you enter a "fair" fight
2.) You've done it wrong.
3.) ???
4.) Profit!



"If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck." - John Steinbeck



All other alliances have totally different ratios playing gang ( that should be much more effective), I don't think their tactic suck.

Game developers develope the game, so they are surely the best ones that can interpretate and give me an answer.

And CCP Falcon was a pvper if I am correct so he's the best person that can give me an answer gamewise.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#18 - 2016-07-26 11:20:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Because of Falcon.

But seriously, we got CSM because some develper was so kind as to give his friends in game tech 2 blueprints.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve_Online wrote:

Developer misconduct

Instances of developer misconduct in Eve Online have been substantiated, leading to debates and controversy. On February 9, 2007, a player known as Kugutsumen hacked an enemy corporation's private forum to find out and reveal that Eve Online developer t20 had provided his corporation, Reikoku, with six valuable blueprints, giving them an advantage over competing corporations.[132] Some within the Eve Online community asked for t20's dismissal. While an apology letter was left for the community in the form of a dev blog, he remained an Eve Online developer until late 2008. Kugutsumen was permanently banned from the Eve Online universe for violating the game's terms of service and end-user license agreement by revealing t20's real name.[133]

In response to public concerns, CCP decided to set up an internal affairs division whose responsibility is to monitor the activities of both privileged and player accounts operated by CCP staff in-game.[134]

I dont know how internal affairs division operates and its probably CCP secret.

I think you will have to get more proof for accusations. Now its just a rumor mongering and thread will be closed.

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Eladanus
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2016-07-26 11:28:14 UTC
Lucy Lollipops wrote:


I was referring to ratios/solo compared to other top pvp alliances.




CODE. isn't like other top pvp alliances that you'll see listed on there. CODE. are primarilly just a high-sec alliance that specialise in killing solo miners and haulers, using small ships to kill expensive targets.

The other alliances on the top 10 list, including Goonswarm, Pandemic Legion, Test, etc. are all low-sec or null-sec alliances that don't fight solo. Instead, they fight groups of 20+ against eachother, all in expensive cruisers, HACs, battleships and capital ships. These cost more and they lose more, meaning that thier kill:loss ratio won't be as good, and their solo numbers will be comparatively lower.
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#20 - 2016-07-26 11:30:33 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
I think you will have to get more proof for accusations. Now its just a rumor mongering and thread will be closed.

Nobody has made any "accusations" that I am aware of...?

Or are you saying they aren't even killing real players, a certain CCP employee who I'm not going to name here (because you all keep saying his name) is spawning npc freighters for them? That seems rather unlikely...

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

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