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June release 118.6 - General feedback

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Varcutii Renalard
#561 - 2016-07-05 19:51:10 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Forced camera movement is terrible.


And it's awful on a shiny modern computer too.

Nothing to do with hardware but simply forced camera movements. It's awful design, makes people sick and needs an off switch.
Dominous Nolen
Anomalous Existence
Spatial Instability
#562 - 2016-07-05 19:52:56 UTC
Alianovna Romanova wrote:


At least separate Dynamic center offset from the other animations. Or even better: give us back our custom tracking offset! Big smile


+1 to both of these.

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Ageanal Olerie
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#563 - 2016-07-05 20:10:20 UTC
Kalpel wrote:
Outstanding!!! Thank you CCP for acting so quickly to the situation, this new toggle is exactly what we needed! again thank you! Big smileBig smileBig smile


No, it's exactly what YOU needed.

Many, if not most, of us needed individiual toggles.

Ageanal Olerie
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#564 - 2016-07-05 20:13:42 UTC
Varcutii Renalard wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
It would be nice if CCP finally addressed these points.


And finally remove the star gate activation/transition animation which forcefully moves the camera making people sick.


It's never made me sick, and I think it's a great addition.

Of course, options are always good. I wouldn't mind seeing a massive increase in options for people.

Varcutii Renalard
#565 - 2016-07-05 20:17:06 UTC
Ageanal Olerie wrote:
Many, if not most, of us needed individiual toggles.



Including removal of the stargate activation and transition forced camera movement.
Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#566 - 2016-07-05 20:24:54 UTC
Alianovna Romanova wrote:
Ageanal Olerie wrote:

Oh come on!

Why can't this be 6 different options?

Many people like specific aspects of these features but not all of them.

For instance, I really liked the Docking Animation, Dynamic FOV, and Dynamic Center Offset.

The Animation when logging on while in space I haven't tried.

The undocking animation I would have lked to turn off, although it is a cool effect and might want to turn it on occassionally.

And the ship change animation, I think few people liked because it can get annoying after awhile when you change ships freqently or are otherwise going through your ships making them active.

In any event. I for one would prefer that this not be a single toggle, because there are aspects I'd really like to keep on, and others I'd really like to be off. And I think that applies to most players.



At least separate Dynamic center offset from the other animations. Or even better: give us back our custom tracking offset! Big smile



I know folks want further refinement, but thank you for taking the step of implementing a toggle!
Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#567 - 2016-07-05 20:26:31 UTC
Ageanal Olerie wrote:
Kalpel wrote:
Outstanding!!! Thank you CCP for acting so quickly to the situation, this new toggle is exactly what we needed! again thank you! Big smileBig smileBig smile


No, it's exactly what YOU needed.

Many, if not most, of us needed individiual toggles.




One step at a time, though. At least they didn't utterly ignore players. But now that one overall option has been implemented, perhaps it can refined into individual toggles.
Varcutii Renalard
#568 - 2016-07-05 20:38:18 UTC
Joia Crenca wrote:
But now that one overall option has been implemented, perhaps it can refined into individual toggles.


Including the star gate activation forced camera movement.
Kalpel
KBM
#569 - 2016-07-05 20:55:45 UTC
Joia Crenca wrote:
Ageanal Olerie wrote:
Kalpel wrote:
Outstanding!!! Thank you CCP for acting so quickly to the situation, this new toggle is exactly what we needed! again thank you! Big smileBig smileBig smile


No, it's exactly what YOU needed.

Many, if not most, of us needed individiual toggles.




One step at a time, though. At least they didn't utterly ignore players. But now that one overall option has been implemented, perhaps it can refined into individual toggles.


Yea, that's basically what I was getting at ....... didn't mean for Ageanal Olerie to blow a gasket over my statement, lol

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Sergey Hawk
The Sith Syndicate
REFORD
#570 - 2016-07-05 20:57:41 UTC
Alianovna Romanova wrote:

At least separate Dynamic center offset from the other animations. Or even better: give us back our custom tracking offset!

^This
Separate Dynamic Center Offset for those who like it and make Custom tracking position for those who does not like Dynamic offset.
Do not be afraid to add extra toggle. We will choose desired option once and forget about it until the time you do something "cinematic" again.

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Max Mayweather
Doomheim
#571 - 2016-07-05 21:14:11 UTC
I am more than shocked. CCP please return to seperate setting. I do not want that hangar animation at all, but I love the Dynamic FOV.

Now I have to decide between becoming sick when docking or watching space without epicness.

Please think about it. Thanks.

o7
Max
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#572 - 2016-07-05 21:16:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
They want to make the game simple for new players.

They dont care that the compromises they are making to achieve this simplicity are making the game even less attractive to new and old players alike.

Its like ccp have fired everyone who isnt a yes man. There seems to be a complete vacuum of common sense on even the most mundane issues.
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#573 - 2016-07-05 22:30:22 UTC
Joia Crenca wrote:
Ageanal Olerie wrote:
Kalpel wrote:
Outstanding!!! Thank you CCP for acting so quickly to the situation, this new toggle is exactly what we needed! again thank you! Big smileBig smileBig smile


No, it's exactly what YOU needed.

Many, if not most, of us needed individiual toggles.




One step at a time, though. At least they didn't utterly ignore players. But now that one overall option has been implemented, perhaps it can refined into individual toggles.

They pretty much did really.
Players asked for a single toggle for the new unpopular animations.
Devs answer to that was a group toggle which also turns off animations/options that either already had a toggle or weren't considered an issue. While still not touching on basic camera things players have been requesting for months.

The K.I.S.S approach works wonders when properly implemented.
One extra toggle to give a single option that was requested by players OR a group toggle no-one asked for to take away more player options.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Tokuarie
The Pioneers
#574 - 2016-07-05 22:53:23 UTC
Thank you very much for the toggle. Wish I could toggle more stuff. :3
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#575 - 2016-07-05 23:29:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
"lets redesign the new camera with 6-7 new features. Lets make its base performance significantly worse than the original camera. With all the new features enabled EVE practically unplayable. Lets tell people to disable all these new features to make the new camera perform like the old one even though that is a complete lie. Lets say our objective is simplicity while we make all these new features toggle-able because eve is unplayable with them enabled. Most of features are useless and turned off by the vast majority of active players. Then for even more simplicity lets add a new wave of unwanted features that are rejected by the players. Instead of removing these bad features lets group them into toggles with other features that were originally independently toggl-able. One of these features, some players inexplicably wanted to use but the new features makes their stomachs queezy. Simple, right?" - CCP 2016.
Gilligan Zaftig
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#576 - 2016-07-06 00:53:39 UTC
Honestly I feel like Im going crossed eyed with this "Dynamic" Camera option's FOV before right click then combo with left click I could zoom the camera in, now it messes with my FoV? Why? its nauseating. I also dont like how the camera shifts forward on your ship when you pick up speed. Might be good for cinematic but have the option to turn off these individual things please. I like the docking sequence but not these other two. But there all lumped together.... honestly I pefer the old camera with some of the new things like the tactical overlay and tactical camera. those are really good, but the day to day use of the orbit camera needs to be retro'd in my opinion....
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#577 - 2016-07-06 02:15:39 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Joia Crenca wrote:
Ageanal Olerie wrote:
Kalpel wrote:
Outstanding!!! Thank you CCP for acting so quickly to the situation, this new toggle is exactly what we needed! again thank you! Big smileBig smileBig smile


No, it's exactly what YOU needed.

Many, if not most, of us needed individiual toggles.




One step at a time, though. At least they didn't utterly ignore players. But now that one overall option has been implemented, perhaps it can refined into individual toggles.

They pretty much did really.
Players asked for a single toggle for the new unpopular animations.
Devs answer to that was a group toggle which also turns off animations/options that either already had a toggle or weren't considered an issue. While still not touching on basic camera things players have been requesting for months.

The K.I.S.S approach works wonders when properly implemented.
One extra toggle to give a single option that was requested by players OR a group toggle no-one asked for to take away more player options.

I'd love to have the same degree of configuration in the graphics and UI settings as we have in the sound settings. But that isn't going to happen overnight. We've already witnessed CCP do a massive "about turn" in this thread and visibly reconsider their attitude to the feedback previously given on this and related subjects going back some years. None of that changes the harsh economic realities of reworking lots of code, redirecting the course of EVE online development and delivering that to their players without accidentally causing everyone to rage at them.
Loan Survivor
Radzone
#578 - 2016-07-06 07:59:38 UTC
Quote:
Introducing a setting called 'Dynamic Camera Movement' in the settings menu that allows you to enable
or disable automatic camera movement, this will be a single setting that enables/disables all of the following:

Docking animation
Undocking animation
Ship change animation
Animation when logging in to the game in space
Dynamic FOV
Dynamic center offset


This is great news. Thank you CCP for listening and acting on customer feedback. My toys are now back in the pram (i.e. re-subbedBig smile)
marVLs
#579 - 2016-07-06 09:32:09 UTC
Why You merge Deep of Field option? slry undo that :(
Alyssia Benar
Vision Inc
Hole Control
#580 - 2016-07-06 09:38:20 UTC
Thanks CCP for listening. Smile

(Please don't remove the old map. Shitstorm would be equal. What?)