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I don't think that carriers and dreads share the same engagement profile anymore. I think that carriers are really more suited to smaller engagements where the opportunistic combat style of fighters comes in to play more. Were eve fought on a 2d plane like world of warships then I'd guarantee that fighters would all have toggled powers.

It means your locking range can be reduced to sh**

come back when CCP actually has weapons that have effect on that diffrence 40km sigs not much of an issue.
calculate speed into this aswell shields are faster wich compensate

Tread lightly. Carriers can counter the subcaps that are too small/fast for the HAWs to manage, and that's about it. They are a small nerf away from being totally outclassed by dreads.

In other news, supers and titans, after a decade of feedback, are still needlessly expensive ships whose only counter is more supers and titans.

They have a subcap fleet? Bring a capital fleet.
They have a capital fleet? Bring a super fleet.
They have a super fleet? Bring an subcap fleet.
Maybe in another ten years we'll give this model a chance.

Real fleet comps where evey ship matters. That's the EvE I want to play.

Carriers outclassed by dreads for Capital vs Capital.
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Carriers now less good at fighting subcaps in small numbers; need moar carriers. N+1
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Micro-gang nerds with a single interceptor will hold a carrier on grid for a good 5+ minutes easily because they should be allowed to take all engagements.
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People should never have to adapt to new and emergent gameplay. It was interesting while it lasted, people preferred to whine rather than come up with ways to deal with it (and there were ways to deal with it).
Other than shitfit interceptors, no inty would be one-volley'd off grid. that was a myth. None of our intys got one volley'd that I know of.

If the Fighters are now able to get their MWD cycle interrupted entirely by a scram, I would like to suggest shorter cooldown / cycle adjustments. Having your fighter's basically die and watching 100+ Mil disappear now that their firepower is nerfed AND their mobility is nerfed is far from fun. There's no need to fit grams on carriers, when 3 subcaps will literally shred enemy fighters now.

Adjusting Fighter MWD cycle- / cool-down timers would help cope with the scram, and maybe, just MAYBE not be entirely bad on grid? After playing on SiSi and assuming my fighters don't use prop-mod to simulate being scrammed, i can already now with old damage application pretty much kiss my whole squad goodbye.
There's no counterplay.

GG to the QQ, GG to CCP.
you had Capitals back in the game, being used and dying.
Please consider these points.
Also, thanks for such a quick notice before patch hits so we can extensively test on SiSi /endsarcasm

This Explosion Radius for Heavy Rocket Salvo look extreme now, rename it to Torpedo Salvo or Heavy Assault Missile Salvo as it is misleading people.

Just for reference - by weapon size :
S: Light missiles / Rockets
M: Heavy Missile / Heavy Assault Missile
L: Cruise Missile / Torpedoes
XL: XL Cruise Missile / XL Torpedo

Current Heavy Rocket Salvo salvo stats put them between S and M , new fighter missiles put them between M and L, very close to L statistics - when you include player skills for L weapon system, and lack of skills that affect fighter missile.

This is no longer Rocket Salvo

What also worry me is that new Heavy Rocket Salvo have statistics similar to those you get from cruise missiles and torpedoes on a well skilled character. But this can still be improved by using :
- proper hull (example: 5% bonus per level on Typhoon to explosion velocity)
- drugs ( example : Mindflood)
- modules ( example : Missile guidance )
- implants ( example : Zainou 'Deadeye' Guided Missile Precision line)
- rigs ( example : Warhead Flare Catalyst)

From what i noticed the only thing that affect fighter missiles are drone related modules.

I don't know how to express, how this explosion radius and damage reduction brake this weapon system when i compare it to Torpedo application i can get on Typhoon, Missile guidance, and cheep implant - while still ignoring drug and rig.

Rockets are not main weapon of the fighters, but so huge nerf to this mechanic will make them quite unusable - in this case why even bother with it?
Remove Rocket salvo and trade it to bigger base damage of the fighters.

Even at lvl 5 no one is mounting Torpedoes on hulls that don't have bonus to missiles - as there is no point, mostly because of the bad application.

I'm not having access to excel right this very moment.
Can I get the math behind this?

What's the exact impact to sustained DPS now? -15%? (ignore application, pure perfect numbers)

• it's -40% salvo damage
• reload shortened by 1/3 (6s to 4s)
• More charges by 50% (8 charges to 12 charges) (this should cancel itself out with the shortened reload times. no change on the "hey, i'm not contributing to combat" time)
• Rate of fire increased (18s cycles down to 14s cycles).

Normal "auto-attack" has not been affected in damage numbers, only application, iirc.
So only the difference in Special attack (F3) needs to be considered. It used to contribute roughly about 45% of total sustained DPS, iirc. So the sustained number of the Salvo special attack (F3) must've gone down by 33.33333333333333333333333333333333333% for it to affect the total sustained DPS by -15%.

Again, I might be wrong, I'm on the road and doing napkin math.
Someone please do an actual math behind this and check by how much sustained DPs is affected. it's rather important.

Thank you.

Do omni's affect rocket salvo sig rad?

WTH is with this explosion radius? Please make it similar to that of heavy missiles. This is ridiculous. No one flies heavy missile ships but you want us to be flying torpedos that are restricted to bombers and golems with a bilion tps.

Making Light Fighters less effective against sub-cap targets seems to be part of the overall point here. While HAW Dreads may do better on paper they're also easier to deal with. They represent a single target, rather than a Carrier plus all its fighters, and they have less ability to project damage than a Carrier does. While you could argue that Fighters can be killed independently and that justifies their effectiveness in practice this seems to be harder to do than just targeting and neuting out a single Dread, running away from it, or bringing in your own Dreads to kill the HAW fit one(s).

Also it's worth noting that this is only a change to Light Fighters, not the Heavies, so Carriers are only really losing a bit of effectiveness against Sub-Caps, not larger targets.

Correction: Also it's worth noting that this is only really affecting how effective Light Fighters are against smaller targets, not really larger Battleships or larger targets.