Crime & Punishment

A comment (see below) from a player in another topic of mine, made me create this one. My first post in this topic will be a lengthy one so be forewarned . By the way for total noobs like me: AFK stands for "away from keyboard"



Well, I knew that people like this exist in Eve, but hoped to avoid them as long as and as often as possible. Please see my thoughts below, may be you will find a reflection of yours .

I am a solo player as I do not know (in real life) anyone who plays Eve. Yet! I tried the game a couple of years ago. Played it for an hour or so and uninstalled it. It was too confusing and instead of having fun I just got frustrated. Fortunately, this time, I have more free time (sorry for the tautology) on my hands, so I am already playing it for a week.

I do not have anyone to guide my every step of the way and I do not want to join a corporation (or anyone else) without knowing what am I getting into. So I have to figure things out on my own. How do I do it? Reading! Which means I cannot have my eyes on the game screen all the time.

I do not have time to spend hours and hours staring at the mining ship, just to avoid being ganked. You have to admit it, it is a pretty boring thing. Ask yourself: would I be willing to spend hours and hours of my time doing a boring activity in a game I am paying for? I doubt that very much! One has to have really special mindset to do that (I call that masochism).

Note please, there is no one to give me free ISK so I can get a destroyer or cruiser to get out of the hi-sec without being blown up by the first "bored ganker". I do not have even the knowledge of the game or the skills trained enough (I am a noob, remember?) to be able to fight off a ganking bunch. Would you like this scenario (applied to you, not you to someone): you get a rookie ship (or something not far from it), you get out of hi-sec and get blown up by the first shot someone takes at you. Repeat.

Lots of fun, right? You know how they call in the army the "bold" (courageous, daring, etc.) newbies who get into stuff without being prepared or ready? Reckless idiots! Dangerous to themselves and even worse to others.

As I do not want to behave like a reckless idiot (even if it is a game), I am mining to get money for a better ship for lowsec and training skills to be able to use it. Now, a bunch of "payed guns" like you is coming to hi-sec to ruin my chance of even starting to have fun.

CCP is smart to have the hi-sec areas, so people like me (noobs and loners) have a chance of staying in the game. You, along with the are defeating that purpose.

So, what is going to happen? I (or someone else like me) will get frustrated with players like Sabriz and/or bored of mining and wish you all well and get back to having fun somewhere else. CCP loses a new customer and you lose the opportunity of having fun meeting me (or someone else like me) down the road after several weeks/months in the game and having a decent opponent. Of course, this might be your purpose, because you or other are afraid of competition or just not smart enough to understand that. CCP understands.

Normally I have about an hour a day for fun. I can extend that if I can play being AFK from time to time. If you or anyone else thinks that I am going to stay (and pay for that) in the game one hour a day every day for months just mining or being blown up by your likes you must be delusional, or never been in this situation and do not know how it feels.

So, the conclusion: if I will be lucky (patient/persistent) enough not to get bored out of my mind mining or getting overly frustrated by gankers like you Sabriz (and not banned by CCP after this post), I will join or create a group/alliance that will be destroying alliances like yours and hunting down those who are preventing new players to get on their feet and have enough fun to decide to stay in Eve. It is a game after all, and everyone is entitled to have fun. Why would I want to spend money on a game that is worse (frustrating) than real life? I find ganking disgusting, no matter where it happens, especially against those who don't even have a remote fighting chance (reminds me about gangs of bullies in school who take the pocket money from those who can't fight back).

Being new to Eve I admit that I do not know a lot of things about its concept. And maybe it is a game for masochists? My question to you veterans is: would you be willing to let the AFK (on and off) loner noobs alone in hi-sec to give them a chance to start having fun in Eve getting a fighting chance againt gankers that enjoy ? Just curious .

Hail Blood Retributor!
I salute you!

Your post is awesome sir!
I share your mindset towards Code.
But first I want to state: This is a computer game, all are pixels. But still, behind the pixels there are humans, I belive :)
Code think they do a "noble" thing for the Veterans, blowing up HS mining.
People may quit because they loose their first mining barge and cannot afford a new one.

So every player who quit may be a potentional PvP player to blow up 9 ships a week in the future. Meaning they will contribute in consuption from the market they try to "protect"

To avoid Code, and other HS gankers, there are some tips to follow.
- If you are to mine peacfully, more or less. Get to the remote areas of HS. Get away from the big trade hubs.
- Find a system with more or less no trafic. Use dotlan to check it out.
- Don't mine AFK, but if you must or want to, you must accept the risk. Don't in lower than 0,7 sec.
- Use a shield tank Procurer, Send me a mail ingame, and I'll send you a fit.
- Retrivers has to small paper tank to counter the amount of damage from a gank...
- Ther are also some intel chat channels, anti ganking or something. (I live in null, so I don't use it anymore)

Gank the gankers.
- There are some guys doing this. A white knight thing.
- It's also possible to use your mining barge as a "bait" with drone amps and kill the ganker. That will cost you the mining yield, but I belive it would be worth it. Laughing at him, stupid ganker.

If there where more guys thinking like you, maybe some more white knights would apear, and code wold lose some ships without getting kills.

I see you mention low sec. Don't go there for mining. Stay in HS. If you consider mining some better ore on regular basis, join a null sec corp, then you'll have friends around you. Or just come to Providence, all neutrals are welcome to our space...

Hope this helps.

I do not really know what a troll is (I've read about those in forums). Depending on the definition I might be one

In this post, I am using the opportunity to share how I feel in the game after a week. I hope to stay in it, depends how it turns out with ganking.

And thank you for the suggestion regarding the anti-ganking channel. I will most definitely join it!

I like a lot the work Mike is doing with his Magic School Bus.

Yes, there are greedy people who will take a ship no matter if they need it or not, but there are lots of new players who greatly appreciate such an initiative.

Makes the loss less painful.

Thanks DeMichael for taking the time!

Thanks to players like you I gather pieces of valuable information that will help me enjoy Eve, not get frustrated with it.

Lots of the stuff you mentioned above I have no idea how to do, but your suggestions are a good starting point for me!

More reading to do !

I like the idea Brynjard!

I will definitely use it some day!

Unfortunately, for now, I have to stick to mining. The Burst that I have and which is more or less armed won't achieve much in such a combat.

Well, thanks to Sabriz's post I got a goal in Eve and have an objective to move towards!

I aready found out about those resources. And Google is my friend for a long time already.

Unfortunately, you do not know what you do not know.

As they say: To ask a question one needs to know half of the answer.

The knowledge you and other constructive people are sharing helps focus on the relevant and avoid being all over the place.


I like this one. Totally agree with it!

Still trying to figure out why people that find mining boring keep on mining.

If it is only for AFK earning potential, then nobody should listen to them when they complain about getting ganked while mining.

When I'm mining, I'm way too busy to be AFK:
Mining Safely

I read your first post, but i got bored after that and only sort of skimmed the others.

High sec gankers do so for various reasons and its a long list of why. Ganking you in a mining ship isnt really profitable. You are new so your going to have low end mods. High sec ore is next to worthless, which i will get to in a second. in fact because their was no obvious benefit in ganking high sec miners, and supposedly CODE got in trouble for it, they started demanding players by a mining license( glorified way of saying paying a ransom) since CCP requires them to have a motive.

I personally do not believe in AFK playing. In my opinion a player should make up their mind if they are going to play the game or do something else. So i do not have any sympathy for AFKers getting blown up. Im ok with new players being the exception to this, since they are usually distracted by trying to figure things out and looking stuff up. Some( probably most) pvpers see any undocked target as a fair target.

You said something about playing solo. This game is not meant to be played solo. It is a social game. You can play it solo but your going to suffer playing it solo. Many corps and alliance are very laid back with new players. And they can offer a wealth of information and help you along. It is something i highly recommend as it will, provided you find a good corp, make your gameplay more enjoyable and you will learn much faster. If you dont like the corp you choose its not a big deal to leave one and look for another.


Mining is probably one of the worst active activities to make money in this game. Indy people swear up and down its a good way to make money, but its not that good unless your using an entire fleet of you to mine with bonuses and even then its a lot less effort to just spend that $15 each month x multiple accounts on plexes and sell them. High sec asteroid mining is the lowest paying of mining. You basically the fry guy at mc donalds. If you manage to make it to null to mine you have been upgraded to assistant manager at Mc donalds. Select gas cloud mining will upgrade you to store manager. Gas and sometimes ice are the only mining really worth doing.

Its not a career i would spend a lot of time on unless you really enjoy it. If your doing it mostly for income, its a poor choice. the best income in high sec, outside of passive tasks such as trading, is doing missions.

There are, even for newbie, much easier ways to make isk than to mine. I mined all of 20 minutes when i started playing and besides the occasional gas cloud have not mined since.

You are far better off, especially if you dislike mining, to invest your money in a combat ship and run missions. Actually many missions you do not even need a combat ship for and some ( i think) are even mining missions. But you should be able to do level 1 combat missions in a basic frigate as a new player( dont know its been 8 years since i did a level 1 mission) You can also do combat anomalies in basic t1 frigate. Kill the rats( they are really weak) collect their loot, sell their loot for extra money. If you train up salvaging you can get even more loot to sell.

You would make more off the loot and salvage off an anomaly alone than you would off mining in the same amount of time. And im not even including the bounties in that.

You said mining is boring... so.

1.). doesnt pvp sound like some excitement vs mining / pve? that is why people do it..for fun / excitement.

2). do the career missions.... maybe do pve missions after that to make a bit of isk............---> then go pvp

3). Not uncommon for brand new players to get into a frig and go pvp... maybe use one of your other slots to join a pvp corp and try it out... you might like it!

4). People...get bored... so they do some pvp or gankage to have some excitement.. its just a game, how deep you get into it is up to you..and it does get deep around here lol

Eve is about risk and reward, creation and destruction. If there was no risk, there would be a lot more competition driving prices down. If ships didn't get blown up there would be no demand for your ore - stuff doesn't "wear out" or go obsolete.

If you have limited playtime PI is a career worth considering - colonies run 24 hours a day, you need to update your programs every couple of days and harvest every few weeks. With citadels driving demand, even highsec PI pays reasonably well these days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXvw9EtWPGw

Gankers can usually be found in areas where there are a lot of targets. Use http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map to find systems with few jumps and no kills - mine there. It takes a couple of hours mining to pay for an insured T1 barge, build an occasional loss into your business plan.

Other low maintenance career options include manufacturing - I recommend small rigs for new industrialists. List them in one of the smaller trade hubs priced in the top half of their cycle and forget about them - it may take a while, but they will sell.