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Jarrard Lorn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2016-05-20 12:17:46 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Jarrard Lorn wrote:
Has this really got an effect on people who don't want to partake in this? This wont change the way you play the game unless you let it...

I feel like the arguments are a lot like the gay marriage debate... it helps a lot of people but some folks dont want it to happen because tradition... ¬_¬


ofcourse it will affect people who dont want to do them as we will be constantly notified every time we dock and undock that our dailies are not complete



Oh god... thats it for me... this is one step too far Shocked
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#82 - 2016-05-20 12:50:30 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Jarrard Lorn wrote:
Has this really got an effect on people who don't want to partake in this? This wont change the way you play the game unless you let it...

I feel like the arguments are a lot like the gay marriage debate... it helps a lot of people but some folks dont want it to happen because tradition... ¬_¬


ofcourse it will affect people who dont want to do them as we will be constantly notified every time we dock and undock that our dailies are not complete


I though they had removed that part close to the end of the test on SiSi. Could of been when they removed the entire feature for a time tho...
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#83 - 2016-05-20 13:10:10 UTC
Jarrard Lorn wrote:
Has this really got an effect on people who don't want to partake in this? This wont change the way you play the game unless you let it...

I feel like the arguments are a lot like the gay marriage debate... it helps a lot of people but some folks dont want it to happen because tradition... ¬_¬

Yes, because the extra SP being dumped into the game will lower the prices of SP in the skill injector market. Everyone using that market to get extra ISK will be effected.

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Aaron Honk
Distributed Denial of Service
#84 - 2016-05-20 13:16:12 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Jarrard Lorn wrote:
Has this really got an effect on people who don't want to partake in this? This wont change the way you play the game unless you let it...

I feel like the arguments are a lot like the gay marriage debate... it helps a lot of people but some folks dont want it to happen because tradition... ¬_¬

Yes, because the extra SP being dumped into the game will lower the prices of SP in the skill injector market. Everyone using that market to get extra ISK will be effected.


Or it will increase the demand as more people get addicted to spending SP on their skill queue.
Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2016-05-20 14:06:52 UTC
Aurelius Oshidashi wrote:
I guess I should support this feature if it turns out to be good for EvE, but it certainly isn't good for me. I can only log in during the weekend. I'm quite new to the game still so I'm careful to judge, but my gut feeling tells me this feature is far from the essence, the character of what EvE is. Feels like a mini game I would play on my phone. But ok, let's see what happensSad


So you go and kill a bunch of rats on the weekend and buy a skill injector on the weekend.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#86 - 2016-05-20 14:07:10 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Jarrard Lorn wrote:
Has this really got an effect on people who don't want to partake in this? This wont change the way you play the game unless you let it...

I feel like the arguments are a lot like the gay marriage debate... it helps a lot of people but some folks dont want it to happen because tradition... ¬_¬

Yes, because the extra SP being dumped into the game will lower the prices of SP in the skill injector market. Everyone using that market to get extra ISK will be effected.


Oh noes!!!! People can't make as much ISK out of subbed but otherwise inactive account. The tragedy!!!!!
Jarrard Lorn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2016-05-20 14:12:35 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Jarrard Lorn wrote:
Has this really got an effect on people who don't want to partake in this? This wont change the way you play the game unless you let it...

I feel like the arguments are a lot like the gay marriage debate... it helps a lot of people but some folks dont want it to happen because tradition... ¬_¬

Yes, because the extra SP being dumped into the game will lower the prices of SP in the skill injector market. Everyone using that market to get extra ISK will be effected.



Why are you playing Eve when you clearly know how to predict the market!!!
dude you should totally get into share buying.... seriously
NovaCat13
Ember Interstellar Inc.
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#88 - 2016-05-20 14:19:57 UTC
Johnny Riko wrote:
You think the skill queue update was a bad change for the game/number of players logging in? Are you dumb?


CCP Rise wrote:
Why Dailies?
So first lets talk a little history. EVE had a daily logon incentive for most of it's existence: the 24 hour skill queue limit. Back in Phoebe, we removed those limitations. Now, at the time, we were of two minds internally. We didn't like the experience around being punished for not logging in to update your queue, but also knew that some of those logins might be leading to meaningful gameplay and we shouldn't lightly let go of them. We leaned to the side of a better experience and removed the limitations, hoping that the logins we were generating were fairly empty, rarely leading to more actual activity in the universe. Well, it turns out we were wrong about that. Now, with before and after data we can see that making it into the client is a huge step towards real activity, even if the reason for logging in in the first place seems artificial. So this leads us to where we are now, attempting to find ways to create more logins that also don't feel like such a punishment as the skill queue limitations did. This may not turn out to be the perfect alternative but that's what we're looking for.


You were saying?

Just say NO to Dailies
Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
#89 - 2016-05-20 15:21:37 UTC
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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#90 - 2016-05-20 15:26:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabriz Adoudel
Well, that's EVE telling people who have to structure their lives around work or family commitments to f off for other games. Undoing all the good work of fixing hte 24 hour skillqueue.

I'll abuse this feature (quicker gank alt training...) but it is going to be very bad for the game.

It's definitely going to result in a lot more people setting a jump clone to highsec to do their daily chore, and then being unable to participate in unexpected fights because they are 40 jumps away and on timer.

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#91 - 2016-05-20 15:39:18 UTC  |  Edited by: elitatwo
Frostys Virpio wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
So since CCP has hired one million new employees, how do you pay us for doing another job?

I expect damages in the likes of 750.000 trillion isk by the end of quarter, oh a level up of course.


They pay you 10k SP. You can choose to forgo doing the job if you wish.


No for SATAN's sake!


I AM DOING A JOB THAT I AM NOT GETTING PAID FOR!!!!!!!!!!


EVERYONE ELSE WHO DID NOT DESERVE OR EARN THEM WILL GET THEM TOO.


Are you just too daft to comprehend that and you are with a swarm of the dumbest creatures ever existed??

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Daerrol
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2016-05-20 15:46:48 UTC
SERIOUS QUESSTION: Do sleeper kills, Incursion kills, Seeker kills, Low-sec FW kills and other none bounty paying kills trigger this? If not #@$! YOU!!! CCP. If those do trigger this then Awesome Feature, dude!

Wow people realize this more or less already exists in the game. All that time you aren't running incursions? You are missing XP. Incursions translate into 1 skill extractor every 4-6 hours. Earlier than that? You could run incursions and log in daily to grind and use the char bazaar to buy a max skilled 2005 pilot. Really don't get this hate

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Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
#93 - 2016-05-20 16:47:01 UTC
Shayla Etherodyne wrote:
What game mechanic prohibit you logging every day and kill a NPC? None. It a choice you make.

What game mechanic stop you from using +5 implants and instead use other implants or none? None. It is a choice you make.

Plenty of PvPers don't use high end stat boosting implants because they have a good chance to lose them or because they prefer sets that give different bonuses at the expense of lower stats, so we have playstiles that prefer less SP for other bonuses.

What game balance go out of the window? The one where I have more than 100 million SP and a newbie has some thousand?
The one where a guy with a few hundred thousand SP can fly a T2 frigate as well as me?
You have a strange idea of where the game balance in EVE rest.


If I'm in a non-combat ship undocked for a week straight I can't kill anything. I can still plug in +5s. So one more time, what game mechanic prevents you from fitting +5s? If I'm a pure industrialist, I'm not going to be able to kill a rat every day, I can still easily use any implant I want.

All playstyles should earn SPs at the same rate. That's been a core tenant of EVE for a long time. Hell, if it were up to me learning implants, attributes and skill injectors wouldn't exist in the game.

I've only been playing EVE for a year. I don't want to be a special snowflake and have my hand held so I can catch up to vets. I want to find my niche where I can beat them in spite of having significantly less SPs. That's one of the great things about EVE. Ideas like this (and skill injectors) just cater to the lazy who don't want to figure out the puzzle and find that niche where they can excel.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#94 - 2016-05-20 16:56:13 UTC
elitatwo wrote:

No for SATAN's sake!

Oi!

leave us and ours out of this forsaken topic.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#95 - 2016-05-20 17:19:21 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
So since CCP has hired one million new employees, how do you pay us for doing another job?

I expect damages in the likes of 750.000 trillion isk by the end of quarter, oh a level up of course.


They pay you 10k SP. You can choose to forgo doing the job if you wish.


No for SATAN's sake!


I AM DOING A JOB THAT I AM NOT GETTING PAID FOR!!!!!!!!!!


EVERYONE ELSE WHO DID NOT DESERVE OR EARN THEM WILL GET THEM TOO.


Are you just too daft to comprehend that and you are with a swarm of the dumbest creatures ever existed??


Those who didn't earn them won't get them since they will not have accomplished the requirement to get it. For those who don't deserve them, I'd like to get a definition of what is deserving or not of it because frankly, mine is kinda simplistic by making anyone who does the required task deserving of those SP since that's effectively the only requirement CCP put on it. If you have a different definition, you should put it here so we can discuss it.

As for not getting paid, this is entirely your won problem and not mine. I'm playing a game in which I don't expect to get paid. All I expect is to get what I am promised and manage to complete the requirement. If CCP tells me I will get 10k SP for killing a rat every 22 hours, I expect to get 10k SP when I kill a rat once every 22 hours. I surely don't expect them to give me those SP if I fail to kill a rat for whatever reason is might be from not being able to log to having extracted every single spaceship command skill preventing me from unlocking to go kill a rat.

As for being daft and dumb, I will just let the insult slide seeing as I will follow my standard procedure of using part of a game I enjoy and just ignoring the one I dislike because at the end of the day, I play this game, just like any other games, for the entertainment value, not maximizing my e-wallet, e-fame, e-creds or e-fight record.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#96 - 2016-05-20 17:22:00 UTC
Isaac Armer wrote:
So one more time, what game mechanic prevents you from fitting +5s?


When you have any pirate set plugged in since they cap out at +4?

If you can pretend it's impossible for you to change ship to get in one that can at least field a weapon system, people should be able to pretend they can't get out of their pirate set which isn't a +5 set. In both case, saying it's impossible to go around is blatantly false but hey, if you want to roll in bad arguments, it's your call.
Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
#97 - 2016-05-20 17:36:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Isaac Armer
Frostys Virpio wrote:
When you have any pirate set plugged in since they cap out at +4?

If you can pretend it's impossible for you to change ship to get in one that can at least field a weapon system, people should be able to pretend they can't get out of their pirate set which isn't a +5 set. In both case, saying it's impossible to go around is blatantly false but hey, if you want to roll in bad arguments, it's your call.


So if you have one account that's a pure industrial character or a pure scout in deep null or WHs, you should have to have your playstyle dictated for SP gain now?

The idea of having learning implants alone needs to be revisited, much less adding dailies like we're in WoW. What playstyle requires pirate set implants? If you want to use mental gymnastics to justify dumbing down this game, it's your call.
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#98 - 2016-05-20 18:13:53 UTC
Pardon if I missed this detail somewhere, but is this an opportunity per account (10K) or per character (3x10K)?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#99 - 2016-05-20 18:17:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Frostys Virpio
Isaac Armer wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
When you have any pirate set plugged in since they cap out at +4?

If you can pretend it's impossible for you to change ship to get in one that can at least field a weapon system, people should be able to pretend they can't get out of their pirate set which isn't a +5 set. In both case, saying it's impossible to go around is blatantly false but hey, if you want to roll in bad arguments, it's your call.


So if you have one account that's a pure industrial character or a pure scout in deep null or WHs, you should have to have your playstyle dictated for SP gain now?


Those are choice that you make. Just like most things in EVE, CCP is offering you choices. If you do X, you will get Y. If you kill a rat, you get 10k SP. If you kill a rat with bounty, you get that bounty. If you use the right implants, you get more SP/hours. If you complete this missing, you get this reward. If you lose your ship under insurance contract, you get this amount of ISK. None of those are forced on you. You will be forced to do something when CCP will tell you "Do task X or your account gets cancelled". It's effectively present in EVE right now in the form of keep a valid subscription or use a PLEX or else your account goes inactive. That is effectively the only thing CCP force you to do and that will still be the case once you get the opportunity to kill a rat for 10k SP. The fact that it's a stupid daily does not change the fact that you have the absolute right to just not do it and CCP won't do a thing to you. Your character will still earn X SP/hours based on it's attributes and current progressing skill. You will still be able tolog into the game and will still be able to do everything your character is skilled for.

Be happy tho, removal of recently added feature is actually something which has a precedent in EVE so MAYBE bitching about it can lead to it's removal.

KIller Wabbit wrote:
Pardon if I missed this detail somewhere, but is this an opportunity per account (10K) or per character (3x10K)?


Last info given by CCP Rise was once per account.
Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#100 - 2016-05-20 18:20:16 UTC
KIller Wabbit wrote:
Pardon if I missed this detail somewhere, but is this an opportunity per account (10K) or per character (3x10K)?



Per account.

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