Wormholes

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If this is implemented, "Elite PVE" is dead. To nurf any gameplay 500% is to tell it's players go away!
Did you mean CCP would drop the loot per site by 50M? That would be acceptable.

With this change CCP is also killing the T3 programs, 50M in sleeper loot is nothing and prices will skyrocket.

And isn't the loot tied to Citadel component manufacture also...

All these useless changes(drifters, decrease WH, citadels, delete Pos, cutting dreads, carriers) will lead many of the players exit from the game and online fall! All the more so what in the end of the year comes Starcitizen! You are not doing anything new just change the old in the bad side!

is the doomsday working for the drifter atm?

Hi,

I like how the new escalation will make it harder and challenging. But the isk nerf and the demand for more ships decrease the profit/risk way to much. You could say you only need 3 caps now. but with only 3 it's going to take ages. 2 fax 1 carrier 3 dreads (2 cap guns 1 set of sub caps). Were we usually have 12 bill worth of ships its going to way past 20 bill. All the more reason to just stay in red giants and use you know wat.

More risk should mean more reward, just making the site's easy and fast to run does not count, so double the spawns, 2 for each capital types. All the escalation ppl already have 2 carriers. Make them useful.

Current fleet: 2 moros 2 nids
12 bill fleet = 750 mill in 15/20 minutes on grit

Future fleet: 3 dreads, 2 fax and one utility carrier.
22 bill fleet = 600? mill in 15 minutes (Siege/triage cycle time times 3. I dont think it can we done in 2)

It should be:
22 bill fleet = 1400 mill in 15/20 minutes, keeping the risk/profit time the same.

Then share it with 2 more pilots, or multibox/buy more plex.

The changes on the capitals guns make are going make pos/citadel defense way harder, especially for the smaller wh groups. Anny logie heavy group can take them down now. the only real use for carrier high slots is going to be capital neuts. I dont like using drones like ammo (launch them and by the time you see them melting the first few are already dead. The cap neuts will make good use aganst enemy caps (if the bring one), counterneuting bhaal's might even work, 5 neuts will hit even with the sig penalty. Just make it a heavy tackle utility ship, MWD, web and 3 point scram...

A Naglfar pilot shouts 2,5 meter rounds of hell at a 1000 meter long Bhaalgorn webs to stationary **** by a vindy or a pos web and i cant hit it for full damage? That's just pathetic! But the high angle one will alpha a webbed dictor that he can lock in 20 seconds (?!).

Also I don't see this getting more new players. It will just make ppl Quit eve. Same as the absurd plex prices.

LOOOOOOOOOOOW CLAAAASSS

um.... congrats on the basic corp name reading skills?

Sorry for the lack of detail. But i didnt draw random numbers.
Current site running fleet:

Naglfar: hull+fit+rigs (ex implants) 4 bill
Moros: hull+fit+rigs (ex implants) 4 bill
2 Nidhougers: hull+fit+rigs 2 bill each

Total 12 bill (give or take a couple of 100 mill)

For the future fleet i suggested more dreads and 2 Faxes. Spider tanking Faxes works a lot better then self rep in my opinion. Lets say one off the big wh group rolls in to your wh wile running sites and they see 2 high angle dreads doing -4000 dps each. Anny fox can tank this. So no reason not to drop one on them with dps/neut support fleet.

Keeping in mind 4 bill for a dread and 2 bill for a carrier and 2/3 bill for a fax. 3*4+3*2=22 bill.

Sites pre nerf take 15 minutes, if it takes longer you're doing it wrong.... The first dread that warps in uses 3 siege cycles and it still has to wait at the end.

TB o/

Ps; Nids becaus Winmatar... we were new to capitals and nid stats and looks looked good :-)

I appreciate that the developers are busy with the Citadel but the feedback to CCP Fozzie's proposed change have been mostly negative and there is no indication that our concerns are being listened to...

Can we get some comments from CCP or at least the CSM to help move this discussion and confirm that there will be some significant changes to the original proposal?

In my opinion, the main concern is how the massive nerf to income results in an unbalance of risk Vs. reward and as a result, activity in wormhole space will decline.

That's all well and good but the fact is that this is a nerf to income and will most likely result in less people doing things in wormhole space. Fozzie said him self that good income and capital escalations has become a staple of wormhole space... you can't simply take that away and expect positive things to happen.

There are already next to no conflict drivers in wormhole space other than the desire to hunt and kill and this change encourage people to stop using the big juicy targets that people love to hunt and kill.