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[Citadels] Supercarriers

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MuraSaki Siki
Immortal Valkyrie
Fraternity.
#21 - 2016-03-31 15:21:55 UTC
launch tube 3?
same as carriers?
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2016-03-31 15:29:06 UTC
AwoxingBravespymaster McBlueshoter wrote:
Typical CCP, makes focus groups and promises to listen, giving players hope that they won't **** up this round of massive changes, then they ignore the focus groups and the play testing and make the bad changes anyways. Did Space Aids and Fozzie Sov teach you nothing?


I haven't ever seen you in the #capitals channel on slack dude. Larrakin made like 3 changes to this blog on stuff I noticed just from me so you are talking straight out your ass.

If you don't try to be a part of it then you aren't going to be a part of it boat

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

AwoxingBravespymaster McBlueshoter
Definitely Not Cloaked LLC
#23 - 2016-03-31 15:37:30 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
AwoxingBravespymaster McBlueshoter wrote:
Typical CCP, makes focus groups and promises to listen, giving players hope that they won't **** up this round of massive changes, then they ignore the focus groups and the play testing and make the bad changes anyways. Did Space Aids and Fozzie Sov teach you nothing?


I haven't ever seen you in the #capitals channel on slack dude. Larrakin made like 3 changes to this blog on stuff I noticed just from me so you are talking straight out your ass.

If you don't try to be a part of it then you aren't going to be a part of it boat

So the bonuses for the Thanny and nyx aren't terrible?

Also calling me boat has got to be the most offensive slur ever launched upon my honor
Cl4ire Grube
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2016-03-31 15:40:12 UTC
so we have to train "light fighters" and "support fighters" to keep using the **** we already were able to use before?? gg ccp
CCP Larrikin
C C P
C C P Alliance
#25 - 2016-03-31 15:44:36 UTC
MuraSaki Siki wrote:
launch tube 3?
same as carriers?


Good catch, fixed my typo :)

Game Designer | Team Phenomenon | https://twitter.com/CCP_Larrikin

Bisu Deckryder
Definitely Not Cloaked LLC
#26 - 2016-03-31 15:45:53 UTC
Hendrink Collie wrote:
AwoxingBravespymaster McBlueshoter wrote:
Typical CCP, makes focus groups and promises to listen, giving players hope that they won't **** up this round of massive changes, then they ignore the focus groups and the play testing and make the bad changes anyways. Did Space Aids and Fozzie Sov teach you nothing?


Hi boat.

Forgot I was logged in on my alt, but this is a massive insult hendrick. Rifters 1v1 at the Obe sun is the only answer to this slur. May Bob smile upon the just
Anhenka
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2016-03-31 15:46:49 UTC
Cl4ire Grube wrote:
so we have to train "light fighters" and "support fighters" to keep using the **** we already were able to use before?? gg ccp


Read before you whine.

There are plenty of things to whine about here, but needing a new skill to use special new fighters isn't one of them.
CCP Larrikin
C C P
C C P Alliance
#28 - 2016-03-31 15:50:37 UTC
Cl4ire Grube wrote:
so we have to train "light fighters" and "support fighters" to keep using the **** we already were able to use before?? gg ccp


Well support fighters don't exist now...so yes.
As for the light fighters, yes you do. Sorry about that. We seeded it as soon as we could to try and give you guys lots of time to train it. It has to do with restrictions on how we can apply skill bonuses for fighters (and drones).

Game Designer | Team Phenomenon | https://twitter.com/CCP_Larrikin

Desmond Craven
Horde Armada
Pandemic Horde
#29 - 2016-03-31 16:14:17 UTC
@CCP Larrikin

How are we supposed to move our fighters and bombers from the drone bay to the new figther hanger. Trying to figure that out on SISI right now. It is still showing me drones in the drone window but I can not move them at all.
Destoya
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#30 - 2016-03-31 16:14:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Destoya
CCP Larrikin wrote:
Cl4ire Grube wrote:
so we have to train "light fighters" and "support fighters" to keep using the **** we already were able to use before?? gg ccp


Well support fighters don't exist now...so yes.
As for the light fighters, yes you do. Sorry about that. We seeded it as soon as we could to try and give you guys lots of time to train it. It has to do with restrictions on how we can apply skill bonuses for fighters (and drones).


Still, no reason I can think of that they cost 100m each and have such high multipliers. For every other capital weapon the books are quite cheap (cap guns = 15m, TWU/TLR = 25m). Pretty distasteful for carriers/SCS to have to pay 200m to use the drones already in their bays.

E: A better way to do it in my opinion would be to make the base fighter skill grant use of all fighters. The Heavy/Light/Support fighter books would be trainable at fighters level V and renamed as specialization skills for the use of t2 fighters. I'm just really not sure it's necessary for supercarriers to require nearly 20m SP in drones alone to just use their t2 weapons with maxed support skills. As a point of comparison you can get a titan to do the same including DD V for around 11m SP in gunnery if you can settle for weapon spec IV.
Coelomate
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#31 - 2016-03-31 16:22:01 UTC
Apologies if I botched my math/analysis, but it looks like this change will significantly widen the Aeon/Wyvern vs. Nyx/Hel EHP gap at the same time it reduces the damage gap, which seems a bit odd.

Here's my quick write up:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4cqqdc/supercarrier_rebalance_platesextenders_extra/

Love,

~Coelomate

Hendrink Collie
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2016-03-31 16:24:13 UTC
Bisu Deckryder wrote:
Hendrink Collie wrote:
AwoxingBravespymaster McBlueshoter wrote:
Typical CCP, makes focus groups and promises to listen, giving players hope that they won't **** up this round of massive changes, then they ignore the focus groups and the play testing and make the bad changes anyways. Did Space Aids and Fozzie Sov teach you nothing?


Hi boat.

Forgot I was logged in on my alt, but this is a massive insult hendrick. Rifters 1v1 at the Obe sun is the only answer to this slur. May Bob smile upon the just


You got it fam, I should be on around 2:00 EVE time. Smile
Orontes Ovasi
Zero Fun Allowed
#33 - 2016-03-31 16:30:52 UTC
Doubling the EHP advantage of Aeons and Wyverns and closing the damage gap by more than half makes sense how?
Bertral
Les chevaliers de l'ordre
Goonswarm Federation
#34 - 2016-03-31 17:25:29 UTC
Do all drone damage bonuses apply to the fighters' special abilities ? Do RoF bonuses reduce the cooldown on special abilities ?
Sporego
The New Eden Yacht Club
#35 - 2016-03-31 17:30:04 UTC
Rip Gallente/Minmatar carriers...
Zank Lennelluc
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2016-03-31 17:33:43 UTC
Amarr and caldari carriers and supers remain the only option for pvp.
RahSun
Discrete Solutions Ltd.
#37 - 2016-03-31 17:46:39 UTC
Sporego wrote:
Rip Gallente/Minmatar carriers...



Don't worry, the gallante/minnie bonuses are just an early April Fools Day joke...right?
Destiny Dain2
Your Destiny Corporation
#38 - 2016-03-31 18:06:38 UTC
Made a video on the new skills at https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g5C1wIIXyiM and my question is... with the new "Doomsday Rapid Firing" skill,

will it be applied to the Citadel doomsday weapons as well?
Circumstantial Evidence
#39 - 2016-03-31 18:12:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Circumstantial Evidence
CCP Larrikin wrote:
Cl4ire Grube wrote:
so we have to train "light fighters" and "support fighters" to keep using the **** we already were able to use before?? gg ccp
Well support fighters don't exist now...so yes.
As for the light fighters, yes you do. Sorry about that. We seeded it as soon as we could to try and give you guys lots of time to train it. It has to do with restrictions on how we can apply skill bonuses for fighters (and drones).
I commented about this in the carriers thread here, but see more explanation in this reply here. OK, makes more sense that there's a technical reason for a new skill. But why not move the existing Fighters skill bonus into ship role bonuses, or just buff the fighters? (To avoid creating a new Light Fighters skill when the existing Fighters skill could be used instead.)
Molly Shears
Czarna-Kompania
Czarna-Kompania.
#40 - 2016-03-31 18:48:20 UTC
CCP Larrikin wrote:

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    1 stiletto can tackle it with 2 domination Scrambler ?