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That "card game" analogy hurt my brain so much.

Seriously, you're missing the mark here: Bringing your fleet and all the fitting to the field is your deck, how you fit and choices you make in refitting is you playing particular cards in your deck.

You cannot change your entire deck (the fleet composition, modules you brought) mid-game, but what kind of card game makes you bring and play all your cards in one big hand?

What boring ass card game do you envision, where you show your cards, the enemy shows his, you declare the winner and then that's it. Wow that's 13 seconds of card gaming spent, now what?

By removing refitting you are making it so only certain doctrines become viable, you cannot counter or adapt in the field so you have to ensure your fleet is of sufficient cookie cutter status to meet the most likely enemy. That is removing choice, removing tactics. This is what it was like before, refitting in combat unlocked SO many avenues for small gangs, fleets, single players, etc. to try well thought through tactics.

Imagine the Rooks n Kings videos with no combat refitting .. Oh wait, half of them wouldn't exist, because that small group would not have been able to pull off the stunts they did without it.

Not to mention the implications for people in PVE, who now have to just bring X ship and that's it because you cannot refit with a bastion module going - PVE, shooting red crosses, is verging on mind numbing already and you are eliminating a creative aspect of it, and murdering a ton of good, fun fits that people use.



I realise you aren't going to change your mind because you believe that "committing and then being blown up or blowing the enemy up in a mind numbing hit F1-F4" is the best form or fleet warfare and that all the fights should be won in EFT before hand, but seriously .. you are wrong.

I am not disagreeing with you but if you have noticed CCP is moving to the idea of a larger cap pool and less cap stability to logistic ships.

i don't know about your titan, but MY TITAN would not last long being in hull only even if it was invulnerable for 20 of every 60 seconds without crazy amounts of on-field reps

Right, but the amarr and caldari fax already have the largest capacitors over the other 2 faxes. The bonus is adding +25% capacitor while the other faxes are getting cap booster bonuses.

Which one is more useful? The capacitor booster one. This makes it harder for the FAX to get to jump cap (thus harder to cap coast and such compared to other FAXes). The bonus only aids a cap stable setup using relays, cccs and rechargers. But if this method of fitting triage becomes outdated because of capacitor boosters then the bonus becomes meaningless. Thus a neutraliser reistance / reflect bonus would be a lot more useful or some other bonus that adds some kind of utility to their intended role.

CCP you are hearby charged with two counts of complete and utter bullshit.

Count 1; Special snowflake status for carrier pilots.

So now THREE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SHIP CLASSES will use the SAME ******* SKILLBOOK? Carriers, Supercarriers, and Force Aux? Bullshit to the highest degree!


Count 2; ******* over WH Marauder pilots because you're incapable of fixing a K-space problem.
So as long as I don't aggress another player in my Marauder, I'm fine to refit? Oh, wait, no. CCP loves making bad decisions for bad reasons.

Outside of Thera (which no one brings their Marauder to anyway) there are no stations in WH space! No stations means no station games. And the sad thing is it's not hard to fix either:

1. Give players the capability to look outside the station while docked so they can ascertain if it is safe to undock. You know, the same damn functionality that Citadels will have?
2. Make all stations kickout stations.

There, now you have no excuse to continue with this bullshittery.

How is this different from what we have now?

Carriers skillbook (racial) unlocks: Carrier and Supercarrier. Add Triage skillbook to unlock Triage use of Carrier, which is almost a different ship class compared to a Combat Carrier setup. The new FAX taking a) Carriers skill and b) Triage skill to be useful really just solidifies that technicality.

So it seems heavy fighters are being limited to supers I was wondering what role carriers are ment to fill that isn't overshadowed by dreads or sub caps?

Please tell me this doesn't mean FAUX and Carrier have the same prereqs now. Why in the ever loving F@#$ would I want to train all those drone skills to fly a logi ship?

you have always had to train them to fly a capital logi ship soo nothing has really changed

If "because it's always been that way" is the only answer you have you might as well just drool on yourself and tell me how much you like turtles. Because that's the most ******** answer to ANY question.

What benefit does training fighter skills provide for a logi ship that can't field fighters? None. It would be the most nonsensical prereq in the game. It would be the equivalent of requiring gunnery V to use a mining barge.