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yes you're right they could it was just in the form of the navy variant

I personally blame this on the EA director they hired.

I'm pretty disappointed in CCP here.

Not automatically giving payers both ship types - I can understand this for a number of reasons....although I think its pretty clear that the real reason its been done this way is to drive demand for both training time and skill injections, thus creating revenue for CCP. Well played. But...

Asking players to make choices about what they will do without any of the necessary information being available to make those choices is the height of absurdity. Asking me to train a skill when I don't know what it will do is madness. Do I want an Archon as it will be or the Amarr FAX? I don't know - nobody does until information about what the attributes for both ships will look like after the release is available. And asking players to spend 500 million per race to have that choice is definitely adding insult to injury.

I understand the problem - asking your player base what each wants to do with their carrier ships/skills would be a nightmare, and totally unsupportable. So the solution required is one that will automatically generate the desired result from clearly articulated inputs with as little work as possible done by CCP staff to make this happen. Here's some thoughts for you:


The simplest solution was what's been done before - if you had the skills on the old ship, you get them on the new ship. Sadly, that ship has sailed.

So - lets get those ship and supporting module attributes published, critiqued, changed and finalized. Until players know what these ships will do players will not be able to intelligently choose. If this can be done quickly (and I am referring to days, not weeks and months), then the current approach has a shot...although the skillbook cost is a nasty touch.

If not, then I recommend that at the time you release the Force Auxiliary ships, you refund all the SPs trained in both Carriers and Force Auxiliaries, AND you refund the 500 million ISK per skillbook for Carriers and Skillbooks. Players can then choose which they want with the necessary information at their disposal.

Do get your act together; we've seen you do much better.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6329823#post6329823

Nice, silence the decent by locking threads.

This does however sum up pretty much exactly what everyone who is upset feels, along with other good points raised in this thread.

Three things really bother me here:
1) Goes against previous policy of "If you can already fly it, after changes you still can"
I realize you can fly either or but that is not both and that creates a deficit...
2) Leaving us with this deficit of functionality we previously had in tandem with the introduction of Skillpoint buying is a bold-faced money grab bearing the audacity of EA.
3) Lack of conversion of relating skills; only giving us back the one skill (Rank 12 Fighter skills stand out)

Love you CCP but nothing's brought me closer to wanting to unsub 5 accounts and tell corp mates to do the same.

This guy's situation is a particularly good example.

Forget the paltry skill book costs; The REAL cost here is MONTHS or HUNDREDS of dollars in real currency to maintain what we already have.


...I'm a little worried that if there's not a revolt then we're telling ccp it's ok for them to act like EA...In 9 years this is the first time I have ever authentically feared for the health of the game.

People who have both Carrier skill and Tactical Logistics Reconfiguration trained to at least L1 should receive FAX skill trained to the same level as their Carrier skill of the same race after FAXes get released. Those who injected and/or trained FAX skills between today and actual release of The Force Auxiliary ships should get their money and SP reimbursed.

Of course, some people will say that it goes against the current philosopy of not giving people skills to fly new classes of ships when they get released. However, when CCP releases new ship classes, they usually fill a new role. This is not the case with FAXes, since their role is copied from an existing ship class. They aren't really "new" ships in the same way that Command Destroyers or Logistics Frigates were, they were old ships fulfilling a specific role moved to an entirely new hull.

christ learn to spell

CCP you're asking pilots to make a big choice now with these skills but you havent released the stats of the bonuses on the ship.
Can you please release the full stats to the FAX so we can effectively come up with the best descision that allows us to continue playing the game effectively.
Some people have multiple accounts that will need this decision to be made on and at 500m a skill book it's a big choice for some.

What´s happening to existing Fighter and Bomber skills? Will they also be reallocated with citadel release?

We don't know - but will hopefully find out in the Dev Blog - tomorrow?

However - Light Fighter and Support Fighter skills are out now (probably 3 whole months of training time available before the expansion I suspect);

and

The Overview settings have changed to include a new folder for 'Fighters', which, after yesterday has 3 entries: Heavy Fighters; Light Fighters; & Support Fighters

Therefore the best guess so far is that the current 'Fighters' skill -> Heavy Fighters; & 'Fighter Bombers' skill SP will be refunded so that we can allocate it to either/both the other two/3.

But - this thread ^^ - apart from the price of the new FAux skills; the rest is perfectly logical......