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[March] Heavy Stasis Grapplers

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Sean Crees
Sean's Safe Haven
#21 - 2016-02-07 20:50:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Sean Crees
1km optimal is a bit under the guns for such large weapon platforms. I know on my vindi, even if i double web something with 90% webs, and i have a hull bonus for tracking, i still have a hard time hitting small things that are only 1km away.
Niraia
Starcakes
#22 - 2016-02-07 20:51:54 UTC
This doesn't make me want to take a battleship out to play any more than faction webs do, and I'm very disappointed that you think otherwise.

Grath Telkin
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
#23 - 2016-02-07 20:52:21 UTC
Ncc 1709 wrote:
range is too low...

fed navy web without bonuses is 60% at 14km / 18km.

the meta 17 one listed here has 45% at 15.5 km...

they need an extra 5km optimal before falloff


So your idea for good game design is to turn every Battleship and Cap/Super into a Vindicator.

Glad you didn't quit your day job.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.

Hairpins Blueprint
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2016-02-07 20:53:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Hairpins Blueprint
1 km is kinda short since most BS guns have bigge optimal and low tracking.


So it will be super hard to get the benefit due to low tracking.

It should be 9 km optimal 16 falloff on t2. so battleships can acctualy use the benefit of the new WEB ......


EDIT.

Forgot OH gives 300%

So optimal 5km is sufficient
Grath Telkin
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
#25 - 2016-02-07 20:53:27 UTC
Sean Crees wrote:
1km optimal is a bit under the guns for such large weapon platforums. I know on my vindi, even if i double web something with 90% webs, and i have a hull bonus for tracking, i still have a hard time hitting small things that are only 1km away.


Maybe its not meant to make your Vinid a frigate killer?

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.

A Nony Mouse
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2016-02-07 20:55:12 UTC
CCP Fozzie, you don't explicitly say, but this is a targeted module right, not an AOE (although that would be cool)?
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#27 - 2016-02-07 20:55:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Soldarius
Change is good. I've been a strong advocate for some sort of effectiveness changes to webs for a long time. I think this is a good first step.

So when do we see falloff on all the rest?

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

Alysha Saronn
Trillium Invariant
Honorable Third Party
#28 - 2016-02-07 20:56:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Alysha Saronn
Fozzie, can you do us all a favor here at eve and just leave the pvp and game design/balancing to someone who actually plays the damn game... I mean what the hell are you even thinking? 1km optimal web? are the devs and ccp stoned? What the hell are large turrets going to do to a frigate or dessie at 1km? even if you decide to move your aiding them.. Fall off on a webs is dumb and you should feel dumb..

We are Legion

CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#29 - 2016-02-07 20:57:59 UTC
A Nony Mouse wrote:
CCP Fozzie, you don't explicitly say, but this is a targeted module right, not an AOE (although that would be cool)?

Targeted.

Game Designer | Team Five-0

Twitter: @CCP_Fozzie
Twitch chat: ccp_fozzie

Ohh Yeah
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
#30 - 2016-02-07 20:59:56 UTC
Seems a little underwhelming to me if it's intention was to make small scale/solo battleship PvP more viable.

The biggest problem (at least when I've done solo BS PvP) is that it's so easy to completely dismantle a BS with EWAR. Like frankly I don't care if a frigate gets under my guns, since a frigate isn't going to kill me. Most battleships can neut out and scram+web any cruiser that tries to get in range. What ends up killing you is 20+ EC-300s, damps, TDs, and getting dogpiled because you're slow as ****. While this module is neat, it doesn't really solve that problem.
5pitf1re
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2016-02-07 21:00:57 UTC
Sakurako Kimino wrote:
looking at this i like it would like if the hic could also get it


That wouldn't be OP at all, right?
Albert Madullier
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2016-02-07 21:01:20 UTC
when the hell do capitals and battleships ever fight something at 1km?

ive never in my life seen a dread or carrier brawling at 0

Gigiarc
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2016-02-07 21:01:22 UTC
Neato module.
Grath Telkin
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
#34 - 2016-02-07 21:01:41 UTC
Alysha Saronn wrote:
Fozzie, can you do us all a favor here at eve and just leave the pvp and game design/balancing to someone who actually plays the damn game... I mean what the hell are you even thinking? 1km optimal web? are the devs and ccp stoned? What the hell are large turrets going to do to a frigate or dessie at 1km? even if you decide to move your aiding them.. Fall off on a webs is dumb and you should feel dumb..


You should feel dumb for thinking that BS should be able to solo frigates.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.

Mr Hyde113
#35 - 2016-02-07 21:02:17 UTC
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YES
Max Kolonko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2016-02-07 21:03:25 UTC
So overheated t2 version at 10km have (assuming linear change in power) around 60% web power.

So basically You want to stay at >10km and its weaker web and only when he is overheating. After few cycles he will have to turn off overheating and web power falls to little over 40%
Sophia Baccarin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#37 - 2016-02-07 21:04:03 UTC
I like the concept but please consider not converting officer webs into these. The main reason people use officer webs at present is for the range increase, which this would severely shorten.
Alysha Saronn
Trillium Invariant
Honorable Third Party
#38 - 2016-02-07 21:04:49 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Alysha Saronn wrote:
Fozzie, can you do us all a favor here at eve and just leave the pvp and game design/balancing to someone who actually plays the damn game... I mean what the hell are you even thinking? 1km optimal web? are the devs and ccp stoned? What the hell are large turrets going to do to a frigate or dessie at 1km? even if you decide to move your aiding them.. Fall off on a webs is dumb and you should feel dumb..


You should feel dumb for thinking that BS should be able to solo frigates.



And you should feel dumb for supporting this mod, the **** are you going to web at 1km and think you can kill it? Are you so blind by your drunken mind, that you can't see this is a huge friggin waste of time? I mean you alliance flys supers/caps no? when the **** are you dropping them at 1km from anything?

We are Legion

Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2016-02-07 21:06:04 UTC
whats the reasoning behind converting officer webs ?

how does this stack with other webs?

what are the skill requirements ?
Aliventi
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry.
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#40 - 2016-02-07 21:06:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Aliventi
Is there a way you can just add officer versions of these to the drop tables and preserve the existing officer webs? The current officer webs have uses outside of BS and capitals.

Edit: Also, there are still uses for regular officer webs with BS and capitals. The Vindicator and Bhaalgorn would be sad to not have a regular officer web as an option.