EVE General Discussion

Haven't been with EVE for almost a year and just recently resubbed knowing that SP trading will be implemented soon.
And also I've read something about pay to win.
Let's go straight into that.

Issues:
1) paying real money to get SP

SP has been one the thing makes EVE so unique compared to others.
I enjoy that passive feelings that my character is building even when I was offline or not doing anything.
Of course I am like the others, hate waiting, for right now I'm training T2 turret, it takes almost a month.
To buy real-time-generated SP with money, it's like instant cash shop thing in p2w MMOs.
I'm not completely in accord with those saying SP trading will be p2w, but it feels like that.
It feels like SP trading is degrading the unique SP system by first, making SP devalued in that more and more SP accumulated in some characters will be cash-based, and by second, making something not-to-be-tradable commercialised.

2) no caps/limits/regulatory measures being implemented along with the SP trading

As far as I know, people can buy SP injectors as many as they want.
That decreasing SP when injected according to their own total SP is not helping imo, as they can still inject unlimitedly.
Also, people are often saying that you can buy characters with high SP which is pretty equivalent to SP trading.
But people playing with one account is capped by 3 character slots.
Unless they're willing to pay for more accounts, they would not be unlimitedly "buying SP".
How about adding some kind of "cool down" like jump fatigue to prevent cash-based abuse?

Is it too late to add changes to the finalised SP trading features:(?
or do I still miss something important?
Thanks for any comments.

What interests me is the level of supply and demand once the initial splurge of SP has been bought and redistributed. One character will generate 500k SP in just under 8 days at max efficiency. Question is how many SP farming characters will there be?

I'd be cool with them putting a limit on it, say 20 injections per month. I doubt CCP would want to limit the income from extractors though.

When can we pay to change our names and whipe our corp history and just about everything we have ever done and start over literally where we left off in terms of character development?

Oh wait..

No seriously, once this is in place, can we just get a PLEX for name change feature to change our character's names without all the surrounding hassle?

SP farming will not be a good thing to do at least at the beginning, because people will siphon SP from their old unused cap/industry/research toons

The trading system will be based upon existing players selling their SP rather than CCP selling skillpoints direct. It's slightly different to a cash shop and should produce some interesting dynamics. If the Injectors are priced appropriately and make CCP enough revenue, in addition to Skins and other vanity based microtransactions, they may be able to make the game FTP or significantly alter the subscription model going forward.


There are several limiting measures that are part of the design.
1) The amount of raw SP converted will be dictated by existing players - bear in mind some may consolidate their own alts before selling - so the supply side is not artificially controlled by CCP and neither is the demand.
2) The number of Skill Injectors available. These are being sold by CCP for Aurum, and the price they set will create a baseline, but how much they sell for ingame will be dictated by player behaviour. If people are considering using real $ to acquire ingame ISK they'll have a choice between Plex and Aurum depending upon which gives the best ISK to $ reward, and you can convert Plex into Aurum.
3) The amount of SP people can inject will also depend upon how much ISK or $ they are willing to spend/have available. There will be some who are willing and can afford to spend $20k or several hundred billion for very high SP characters. That minority already exist - you see them splattered across lowsec gates in hilarious ALOD reports in their pimpmobiles.


It's not too late, although you might be better off posting here. It's a new system so chances are there will be tweaks after it's released based upon feedback. If the issues you describe do become significant problems limits might be implemented, so you should report your concerns. You're not the only person flagging this btw.

Once the initial spoke from people selling their stored up, unused SP is done, you'll see the price reflect much more accurately. There is going to be a very strong bottleneck in terms of players willing to continue sucking their characters of SP and that will be limited by how much SP can actually be generated. The price will also be affected by the number of people trying to inject into characters above the 5mil mark. It will devalue the overall price slightly.

I'd pay to see behind that door in the station...

i just realize that part of me is well at least since it's just part no matter which ones left or right part of me but one part of me is one hand up for this change.

i'm not going to be making perfect alts with focused training que. what i'm going to do is create new pilots with cool name something like xxXimayobigbootymommaXXx with fancy DoB 02.02.2016 02:02:02 and coming with spool of unlocated SP's (2.5m; 5.0m; 7.5m; etc.) so the buyer will decide himself what he is going to do with that alt.

You can't just buy SP with the up coming change. You must have a supplier, no supplier no SP to buy.

Now generally speaking the market brings together suppliers and buyers. So the only real question is...how liquid will the market be?



Oh dear. There is nothing stopping your from buying as many televisions as you want either. But rarely do you see a person who can buy and unlimited amount of televisions. The notion of an income constraint is indeed a Thing™ both inside and outside the game. The only person who can inject an unlimited amount of SP will be someone with an unlimited amount of ISK.




No, it is SP trading with less choice (i.e. you cannot choose the gender, race, name, etc.).



Nothing is stopping them from selling an existing character and then buying a new one with even more SP.