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Clearly, the CCP poster on the relevant blog has not read their own forum...

...We weren’t sure exactly what to expect but it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that you’re also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players...

Is the beer in Iceland very strong?

I understand why the Company is doing this, after the big fights like B-R5RB, many read or heard about it and entered the game.
After a short while they saw the gap between veterans and new bro's, and many that grave instant gratification soon left the game.

Brain tissue grafts are a new way to close the gap, so new bro's don't need to play for 6+ months before they get close to being able
to participate in even the smallest battles. However it's those first 6 months that shape new bro's into eve players, a coming of age


Since this is a happening now, why can't we also reprocess corpses into very small amounts of un-allocated skill points, since we are talking about brain tissue grafts. It would add great game play value to setup body shops behind that closed door, and factoring risk of acquiring corpses and even losing skill points on the surgery table.
source: http://crossingzebras.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Brain.jpg

Regards, a Freelancer


PS: Let’s look first from the perspective of someone wanting to add skillpoints to their character. All they need to do is get themselves a “Skill Injector” item (we simplified the name here for clarity), which they can find on the EVE market for ISK, providing another player has listed it. Once they’ve bought one, or convinced a loving supporter to give them one, they simple activate the item which immediately adds skillpoints to their unallocated pool and consumes the Skill Injector. Those skillpoints can then be spent however they like (following normal skill progression restrictions of course). That’s it.

Straight out of a Dinsdale Pirannha nightmare, and you know what's sad about nightmares, they sometimes become true
Now that they can chop up SP and sell it for $, let's see what else the Company can chop up in game and sell for even more $$$
For those yet unaware you do understand this is CCP first major attempt at NON-vanity cash shop transaction, more to come
source: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4583354#post4583354

I don't think so because my skills alone cost nearly 29 bil isk. All the new "skillpoint farmers" will extract skillpoints from cheap skills. Why should someone strip his titan skills completely?
Assume I strip all my skillpoints I still have 409 skills worth 29 bil isk I could'nt "sell". Makes no sense at all.

Seems so that nobody takes the skills prices into account...

Or something like fatigue... on injecting the SP that is/ as well.

Like the original fatigue (since this isn't as "necessary" as jumping) where you get like 1 year of injection fatigue and a 30day cooldown on injecting


As an added bonus, this teaches "the newbie" who won't be getting into a carrier on day 1, about watching their timers and fatigue. So when they do get one they will know about timers and fatigue.

First of all, they first announced this feature 3 months ago, and now it's scheduled for February; this is very fast, for CCP. To me this indicates that it's a simple thing to implement, and also that they're almost done with it and it's already in the QA-check phase. So you're going to start suggesting complications to the code, at a point in time where they've almost released it; I believe they will say that they're publishing what they have, and all suggestions such as these to be considered for the re-iteration / improvement phases.

Also, even though the cost will put this feature completely out of reach for newbies, enticing newbies to join the game is a primary CCP goal. If you even HINT that we're going to use API checks and whatever other tracking tools to discriminate against recruiting or accepting newbies who use this feature into player corps or the community, they will shut you down hard. A lot of the rage in this thread and on reddit is about not accepting "the losers" who use skill injections into whatever player groups, and that rage will be directed at newbies, too, because we can't really tell newbs from alts. So, careful.

Finally, as far as each item:

1. 0 skill points and wallet checks for Aurum transactions are probably how we can detect donors. SP numbers that exceed age and wallet transactions are probably how we can detect injector users. Asking for 0-point skills to be removed contradicts asking for API checks to reveal users.

2. Only active accounts can donate and inject, I thought that was given, since is similar to Character Bazaar rules. Thus banned characters won't be able to use this, during their ban. As far as after the ban expires... the ban itself is punishment enough for whatever they did, and also CCP won't let us detect who's got a ban history by giving them an injector and asking them to use it; bans are a private matter between the individual and CCP.

3. What's wrong with insta-FOTM? It's laughably silly; let everyone jump on the bandwagon and waste their aurum / plexes / w/e. Features such as this are addictive and enticing, getting people to pay lots of Aurum to CCP, only as instant gratification.

4. I think what they'll do is they'll simply add a log entry to the skill training history that's listed in the character sheet. Whether that's visible through the API I don't know; they can probably make it visible relatively easily. However, this will probably generate as many transactions as the wallet, and they don't keep wallet transactions for more than 1 year (or is it 1 month?). So 3 years from now, I don't know if you'll be able to detect who used injectors in 2016.

6. Complications to the code. If it's instant, then you use the extractor, it gets used up, a log entry gets generated for the API, and you're done. If it takes 4 hours, they have to put in a count-down timer, refund your extractor if you cancel, deal with bugs resulting in loss of extractor and skillpoints during the 4 hours, and deal with CS tickets from impatient people. Also, it's likely the training queue has to be paused during skill extraction, and not being able to train for 4 hours, are you kidding me?

26. Accounts that have been previously banned for macro use are not eligible for character sales. Skipping that would allow anyone that can't use the bazaar for this reason to get rid of the affected Character's account. Record cleaning service by deatching the SP from the character.

You know a feature completely fails when, after 44 pages of discussion, there are only 12 likes for the opening post. This is borderlining hard with p2w and everyone with a lick of common sense knows this. There is literally no incentive to skill training anymore when you can buy your way right up the ladder. Everyone will try to argue that this doesn't matter compared to true skill, but I can only lol at that if you think it will stop people from stomping your ass out in space.

That is interesting, I hadn't thought about the skillbook price. But say you have 105 mil SP and you strip 100 mil of them. You get 200 skill packets with that. Sell those on the market at 1 billion ISK each and the price of the skillbooks is starting to look like noise.

Reading that back I'm wondering if I should buy some toons in the bazaar before all this kicks off ...

Skillbooks extraction would be nice but not necessary, only top tier skill books are really expensive

no.