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[MERC] The Marmite Collective

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Azelor Delaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#361 - 2016-01-20 15:06:55 UTC
Fybs wrote:
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Saeger1737 wrote:
Tora Bushido wrote:
Shelick wrote:
lol wut Are you sure we are talking about the same marmite here?
So tell me how long has your alliance been there and what have you achieved so far. Exactly, few weeks and nothing really. Come back when you are here longer then 1 year, you're also in the top 10 killers of Eve all time and you do more then sit on Dodixie all day. Moving 10 vindis, 5 nestors to another undock doesnt really make you relevant Blink

None of what you said you actually were apart of personally, you never see the outside of your dock without a fleet escort old man, everyone who was in your alliance pretty much handed your reputation, you've yet to earn it tora.


I like the PVP skills in your alliance ( ,and I've had this discussion on tmspk with one young buck in your team before,) but Eve is replete with excellent pvpers.

I don't agree with the way some talent has been shed, but he cuts more deadwood to keep the alliance active. I also don't agree with Tora buying CODE shares, but he is one of the most effective at killing them and hurting them financially { , going for their freighters not just pods}.

Marmite is now a BRAND in highsec, built up over time and effort. You may not like Tora but his behind the scenes leadership and direction have maintained his alliance.

Saeger, look beyond day to day roams, but to where you want your alliance to be strategically in a years time, else you are spinning your wheels and running you mouth.


Well said.

Everyone knows who marmite is.

I know even in a years time when I pass back through HS. and I see a marmite member doing his thing or players in null sec talking about them. I will think to myself....


I was part of that Smile


I don't think Tora is actually any type of competent PvPer. He's not a good leader. His version of "leading" is to sit in station all day, talk smack on the forums and in local, but at the end of the day make sure he was as risk-adverse as possible. I mean, since losing his Guardian to sue Abbott's wing on 11 January 2016, Tora's only shown up twice outside of station for kills, which were on 12 January. Seems once sue Abbott and Archetype were back to fighting him, he stayed docked.

Tora gets a little bit of peace since it appears he let the ar lapse, but if Archetype and What Squad ally in on another war, what will Tora do?

Marmite's brand recognition has been from the competent pilots who kept Marmite afloat. People like you, Fybs. And yet you left because, and I am QUOTING your reason here: you simply don't trust Tora's leadership to further your goals, nor do you expect he's a competent leader in tough times. In short, you don't trust Tora. Let that settle in (and everyone knows it. Tora has been raging about this fact in public for a bit.): you left, and yet you're...still defending him? Don't get me wrong, Tora's great at playing the metagame: hiring other mercs to protect him, talking smack on public channels, etc. But his intelligence networks are non-existent, at best, and at the end of the day, the people actively looking to fight him can prove they've been out fulfilling contracts and killing Marmites.

By the way: Tora really wants that Archetype Pilgrim pilot. He was salivating about it on comms last night. I wonder what he'd pay for the corpse...
Chandelin
Kernite Kollectors
#362 - 2016-01-20 15:07:46 UTC
jack1974 wrote:
Fybs wrote:


Well said.

Everyone knows who marmite is.

I know even in a years time when I pass back through HS. and I see a marmite member doing his thing or players in null sec talking about them. I will think to myself....


I was part of that Smile


I think it's better on the other side of the fence Cool when seeing Marmite.

Killed his ship
Killed his ship
Killed his fleet
Podded him
Podded him
There's his logi
Podded him
Podded him
There's his booster
Podded her
Podded him
Have 3 of his corpse
and so on and so forth.

Fybs, I don't know if I'd return to high-sec if I had never won a war there Lol


mmm Bacon :P
Nitshe Razvedka
#363 - 2016-01-20 16:51:39 UTC


By the way: Tora really wants that Archetype Pilgrim pilot. He was salivating about it on comms last night. I wonder what he'd pay for the corpse...[/quote]

You miss the point whilst breaking confidences.

Leadership is not about pvp skills:

Its about sacrificing your pvp time to run the alliance.

Its about rebuilding, choosing your battles, talent spotting, recruiting, building relationships with other alliances, and keeping confidences.

This game is multidimensional and so is leadership.

Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.

Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.

Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#364 - 2016-01-20 17:41:03 UTC
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:


By the way: Tora really wants that Archetype Pilgrim pilot. He was salivating about it on comms last night. I wonder what he'd pay for the corpse...


You miss the point whilst breaking confidences.

Leadership is not about pvp skills:

Its about sacrificing your pvp time to run the alliance.

Its about rebuilding, choosing your battles, talent spotting, recruiting, building relationships with other alliances, and keeping confidences.

This game is multidimensional and so is leadership. [/quote]

It makes me sad to say this, but I agree with Nitshe
*dies*

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Saeger1737
The Clown Shoe Crew
#365 - 2016-01-20 17:50:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Saeger1737
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:


You miss the point whilst breaking confidences.

Leadership is not about pvp skills:

Its about sacrificing your pvp time to run the alliance.

Its about rebuilding, choosing your battles, talent spotting, recruiting, building relationships with other alliances, and keeping confidences.

This game is multidimensional and so is leadership

Nitshe is a tora pet,

He's sacrificed his close friends, his top pvpers, his public view for money. It's all he ever does.

He only wants a green killboard at the end of the day and more money in his pocket but he's never earned it.

He lacks the abilities to lead, talks a ton but never atones for any of it, his members get the brunt cause he doesn't respect his player base or his roots. Marmite isn't about mercing, its about how tora can milk his pilots for isk at the end of the day.

Think that makes all marmots prostitutes.

MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!

Nitshe Razvedka
#366 - 2016-01-20 19:00:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Nitshe Razvedka
He's sacrificed his close friends, his top pvpers, his public view for money. It's all he ever does.

He only wants a green killboard at the end of the day and more money in his pocket but he's never earned it.

He lacks the abilities to lead, talks a ton but never atones for any of it, his members get the brunt cause he doesn't respect his player base or his roots. Marmite isn't about mercing, its about how tora can milk his pilots for isk at the end of the day.

Think that makes all marmots prostitutes.[/quote]



I agree with much of what you have written here and it could be applied to all Alliance Leaders.

The same complaints about exploiting members was made about Sue also. Name one alliance you have been in Saeger that remunerated you well?

How do you resolve this issue of pay; Unionise more like the pirates of old, ask for shares or Poco's (held under alt corps).

The issue of green kill boards is my bugbear also. Blink It does indicate you are risk adverse. However, It is a play-style that suits the majority of basic merc contracts. If you want large fleet pvp with an element of higher risk Dead Terrorists are your guys.

On the issue of nurturing the player base, understand you are a MERC and not a MILITIA, in a free-market you are hired and fired on your merit.

I do agree with you about friends and sacrificing friendship. This is the strongest point you make. The true goals of Eve are the friendships and the new acquaintances' you meet on your journey here.

I hope Zero Threat reads your post and pays you what your worth. I do hope Tora reads and understands the importance of friendship.Big smile

Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.

Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.

VegasMirage
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#367 - 2016-01-20 21:01:21 UTC
Vote for TRUMP 2016
"Make America White Again!"

no more games... it's real this time!!!

Azelor Delaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#368 - 2016-01-20 21:03:40 UTC
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:


Azelor Delaria wrote:
By the way: Tora really wants that Archetype Pilgrim pilot. He was salivating about it on comms last night. I wonder what he'd pay for the corpse...


You miss the point whilst breaking confidences.

Leadership is not about pvp skills:

Its about sacrificing your pvp time to run the alliance.

Its about rebuilding, choosing your battles, talent spotting, recruiting, building relationships with other alliances, and keeping confidences.

This game is multidimensional and so is leadership.


Why does he have to rebuild? Listening to Tora's usual BS, you'd think there's nothing to leave.
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#369 - 2016-01-20 21:09:33 UTC
VegasMirage wrote:
Vote for TRUMP 2016
"Make America White Again!"


Nuuu
Bro, when are you coming back to EVE?

(You're the first dude who killed me btw, I'm a big fan of yours :D)

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Radius en Daire
Doomheim
#370 - 2016-01-21 02:01:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Radius en Daire
Just wanted you guys to play this in the background while you read all the posts....


CLICKY ME!


Also Saeger1737 this one goes out to you.... CLICKY ME!
Nitshe Razvedka
#371 - 2016-01-21 07:39:52 UTC

The key word "CLICKY" ME can be narrowed down to one of seven people, I will keep your confidence, being anon IS liberating. Blink

Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.

Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.

Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP
The Marmite Collective
#372 - 2016-01-21 08:27:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Tora Bushido
Eve alliances are run by friendly dictators. Once you'll get that, you might have an alliance running for more then 1 month too Blink.

FLEETY UPY

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.

Radius en Daire
Doomheim
#373 - 2016-01-21 08:41:05 UTC
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:

The key word "CLICKY" ME can be narrowed down to one of seven people, I will keep your confidence, being anon IS liberating. Blink



lol I'll forward your mail to Tora.

Tora, this guy thinks your me lolz.....


Nitshe ♥'s Tora
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#374 - 2016-01-21 12:30:35 UTC
Radius en Daire wrote:
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:

The key word "CLICKY" ME can be narrowed down to one of seven people, I will keep your confidence, being anon IS liberating. Blink



lol I'll forward your mail to Tora.

Tora, this guy thinks your me lolz.....


Nitshe ♥'s Tora


I dig,
you dig,
he dig,
she dig,
we dig,
they dig.

It's an awful peom, but it's very deep.. (as deep as Nitshe's love for Tora Big smile)
Cool

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Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#375 - 2016-01-21 12:55:08 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
Eve alliances are run by friendly dictators. Once you'll get that, you might have an alliance running for more then 1 month too Blink.

FLEETY UPY

I will pay this the best alliances I've been in had one head. The worst had 2 or more including one I ran

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Nitshe Razvedka
#376 - 2016-01-21 13:06:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Nitshe Razvedka
Radius en Daire wrote:
Nitshe Razvedka wrote:

The key word "CLICKY" ME can be narrowed down to one of seven people, I will keep your confidence, being anon IS liberating. Blink



lol I'll forward your mail to Tora.

Tora, this guy thinks your me lolz.....


Nitshe ♥'s Tora

Good effort to muddy the water, the 7 name short list did not contain Tora's name. I can PM you with the list. Blink

Great Aust band, the only men to sing falsetto and not be effete. Big smile

Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.

Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.

Fine Huunuras
Doomheim
#377 - 2016-01-21 19:48:10 UTC
I have a POS I need taken down.

1 man Corp large Dickstar, how much do you charge?

Or do you only do AFK Corps offline POSs where there's no chance of a retaliation?
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#378 - 2016-01-21 20:15:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Dom Arkaral
Fine Huunuras wrote:
I have a POS I need taken down.

1 man Corp large Dickstar, how much do you charge?

Or do you only do AFK Corps offline POSs where there's no chance of a retaliation?


I'll do it solo for 5b :)
Edit: And 100% up front

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Fine Huunuras
Doomheim
#379 - 2016-01-21 21:15:53 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Fine Huunuras wrote:
I have a POS I need taken down.

1 man Corp large Dickstar, how much do you charge?

Or do you only do AFK Corps offline POSs where there's no chance of a retaliation?


I'll do it solo for 5b :)
Edit: And 100% up front

Sure, but first you have to give me 2.5b so I can double it.
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#380 - 2016-01-21 21:18:21 UTC
Fine Huunuras wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Fine Huunuras wrote:
I have a POS I need taken down.

1 man Corp large Dickstar, how much do you charge?

Or do you only do AFK Corps offline POSs where there's no chance of a retaliation?


I'll do it solo for 5b :)
Edit: And 100% up front

Sure, but first you have to give me 2.5b so I can double it.


Haha
Ha

No.

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